BCB Advanced Stat Pseudofantasy League - PART II EDIT !! Draft this Sunday, Feb 19 !!

by SRB on Feb 5, 2012 5:40 PM CST

There was more than enough interest for a league! Based on responses to the last post, it looks like we have 18 interested as of now:

SRB
Tepo6688
bcschles
Michael M
Mr Leam
ecocd
Cheeseandcorn
masondlo
Rendezvous
Saltire
NoahJ
Brewer 1 Fan
brewcrewshrew
Mr. McGehee
Jordan M
TwoShoesMcGoze
-JP-
Hyatt

The next step is to try and schedule the draft, which is important as it's pretty much the entire point of the league. I was thinking a weekend (Saturday or Sunday) in the early afternoon CST, to accommodate those of us who are overseas. The season is also fast approaching, so maybe within the next 1-3 week(end)s? Since the draft may take a while with 18 teams, I think it might also be a good idea to break the draft into two parts (i.e. Rounds 1-12, Rounds 13-25, or something like that).

Please let me know your availability, especially if you are not going to be available at a certain time/date.

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Sunday afternoons are best for me.

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by Hyatt on Feb 5, 2012 9:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions

Likewise.

I am almost always free on Sundays.

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 5, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions

Sundays work sometimes...

In February, I should be available after 1 pm each Sunday. I won’t know about March for a few weeks.

Saturdays are usually better since I normally am not doing anything.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions

Sunday afternoons are best for me too (after about 1 or so)

Saturdays are OK, but Sundays are better.

by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 6, 2012 7:22 AM CST up reply actions

Saturday will almost never work for me,

Sunday is ideal.

Baseball, you can't get here soon enough.

by Tepo6688 on Feb 6, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions

Sunday afternoons work for me as well

Only Sunday I won’t be open is Feb. 26 as I will be recovering from the epicness that is Bockfest!

by Mr. McGehee on Feb 6, 2012 8:25 AM CST via mobile reply actions

ONLY Feb 19 works for me over the next 4 weekends

I’m visiting family and celebrating Valentine’s Day with the wife. My interest is mild so don’t feel the need to bend over backwards to schedule around for me.

I also have President’s Day, February 20 open.

by ecocd on Feb 6, 2012 9:29 AM CST reply actions

Sounding like Sunday is the best candidate

Anybody have a conflict with February 19, sometime in the afternoon (CST)?

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 6, 2012 11:52 PM CST reply actions

I don't think so.

Also, you might want to see if you can get this bumped back on to the front page. No fan posts are showing up on there right now.

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by -JP- on Feb 9, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions

I'm cool with it

by Hyatt on Feb 9, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions

Sounds good to me...

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by MrLeam on Feb 9, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions

I'm going to need a lot of hand holding and patience

It’s my first fantasy sports anything. I spend enough time doing statistics for fun, let alone all the obsession that can get into fantasy sports.

Did you ever finalize the rules?

by ecocd on Feb 9, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions

I think the only substantive question remaining is whether or not there should be some type of reserve.

I would propose: one “Prospect/Reserve” slot (26th roster spot) that can permanently be called up by cutting a player not on his real team’s active roster for any reason (15-day DL, 60-day DL, cut, etc.). The position eligibility rules at the same, so if you draft a 2B Reserve, you can only really use him if your 2B gets injured — this lets you draft an injury-risk like Jose Reyes but also a backup plan, just like a real team would in constructing their roster. The procedure will be to announce somewhere (league Google spreadsheet) when you are making the transaction, the player being cut’s fWAR at that time, and the player being promoted’s fWAR at that time.

Does anyone object to that? Of course, we can continue to work out the rules going forward.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 9, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions

+1

Makes it more interesting. Also, allows a slightly more realistic roster if allowed to replace an injured player.

by Mr. McGehee on Feb 9, 2012 11:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

It would help if I knew the roster make up

you posted a proposed roster for each team, but I don’t know if that was final.

Will there be a list ahead of time for players eligible for each position? Who’s a reliever and who’s a starter? Who’s a utility IF vs. an everyday player? What happens when a reliever, like Estrada, has to start for 12 games. It seems like that would be a pretty big WAR advantage.

I do like the reserve idea.

by ecocd on Feb 10, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions

Unless there are proposed changes:

Roster
C – 1B – 2B – SS – 3B – LF – CF – RF (8)
C – IF – IF – OF – OF (5)
SP – SP – SP – SP – SP – P (6)
RP – RP – RP – RP – RP – RP (6)
RESERVE (1)

Position Eligibility

Position player eligibility based on 2011 games played (81+ or 50+%) or 2012 games played (81+ or 50+%) as calculated at the end of the year. Pitcher eligibility is based on 50% of appearances in either 2011 or 2012.

It’s not perfect, but it seems like the easiest way to do things. So, for example, if you draft Aroldis Chapman, he had 54 G last season and 0 GS, so 100% of his appearances were as a RP and he qualifies for a RP spot. If you think he’s going to be a SP in 2012, you can potentially get an advantage, but I don’t feel like too many converted RP are going to be putting up huge seasons in terms of fWAR, so the advantage shouldn’t be too unfair. Marco Estrada appeared in 43 G last season and had 7 GS, so 84% of his appearances were as a RP and he qualifies for that spot.

However, if you draft Aroldis Chapman for one of your SP slots, and he ends up getting bounced from the rotation and appearing 50+% of the time as a RP in 2012, then at the end of the year you’ll have one-too-few players qualifying as SP and one-too-many qualifying as RP.

The P spot can be filled by either a SP or RP, and DH counts as 1B (since the bad defense is sort of factored into fWAR through positional adjustments as it is)

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 10, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions

I just now realized that there are some players that won’t qualify for any starting position. For example, Jerry Hairston Jr. played all over the place in 2011 so he doesn’t have 50% at any one position. But that makes sense because he was used as a bench player, and since he had 65% of his games at an IF position, he qualifies for the IF slot.

However, are there any regular starters that would get messed up by this? Probably would be an OF who split time between LF/CF/RF a lot, but I can’t think of one.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 10, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions

I can put together a spreadsheet of position eligibility based on 2011 games

It’s not too hard, so I can do it in the next couple of days.

by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 10, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

That would be great, thanks!

If anyone wants to know about an individual player, it’s also very easy to look up on Baseball Reference too.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 10, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions

Here's the spreadsheet

Linky

Every position is listed in order of games played at that position, and the IF and OF-only positions are in order of total games played. I listed DHs separate from 1Bs for reference, and for pitchers, I just listed SPs – everyone else is an RP. Every player with an asterisk technically doesn’t qualify anywhere – most of these players (like Brooks Conrad) were used mostly in PH (or PR) duty, or, in a few cases, were IF/OF players, but didn’t play a majority in either the IF or OF. I just listed them wherever they came closest to qualifying, but we can always count them as not qualifying for 2011.

The >50% rules affected a few significant players – Michael Young, Emilio Bonifacio, and Maicer Izturis only qualify as an IF (rather than any specific position), and Carlos Gonzalez, Jon Jay, Brennan Boesch, Brandon Belt, and Mike Trout only qualify as general OF.

by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 10, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks Cheeseandcorn!

I guess we’ll have to resolve the eligibility issue for some of those players. It looks like Michael Young played 105/159 games at 1B or DH, so maybe we can just qualify him as a 1B. Maicer Izturis is basically a utility player on the Angels and if anyone wants Bonifacio as a starter they can count on him being the regular CF in 2012 (but the league isn’t that deep, guys)

OF looks more difficult; maybe we can make it a rule that if a player only qualifies as a general OF, he’s counted as a CF? The avoids the unfair advantage of getting someone with lots of playing time in CF (higher positional value) in one of your corner spots.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 10, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions

So if I pick Miguel Cabrera,

I could play him at 3rd or 1st? Or heck, if I wanted to, I could play him at IF and play somebody else at third and first, even if they’re worse, because there’s not a penalty for technically starting or being a backup.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 10, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions

You can draft Miguel Cabrera as your 3B, but if he plays a lot of DH/1B and somehow ends up with <50% of his 2012 games at 3B, then suddenly you have too many 1B and no 3B. But yeah, you can draft Miguel Cabrera as your 1B even though he’s probably playing 3B (and thus more valuable in a vacuum) — however, in theory the defensive transition should even the total value out, and in reality Cabrera could very well be less valuable this year as a 3B because of his defense.

And yeah, I’m leaning heavily in favor of Rule #2 below. Otherwise it would be way to easy to exploit the bench spots.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 10, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions

As for bench vs. everyday players, we could do one of two things:

1) Ignore realism entirely and just let people draft really good starters for their bench. So, to use I think Jordan M’s example, you could draft Prince Fielder in the first round and fill your 1B slot, then Adrian Gonzalez in the second round and fill one of your IF slots.

2) We can institute a rule that the starting lineup (C – 1B – 2B – SS – 3B – LF – CF – RF) has to be filled before you can draft bench players.

I prefer the second rule, but any other opinions?

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 10, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions

Didn't see this before I just posted that comment, yeah I'm fine with whatever everyone prefers.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 10, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions

Sounds like a plan.

Baseball, you can't get here soon enough.

by Tepo6688 on Feb 10, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions

so... did we determine categories? or are we just going on fWAR?

by Hyatt on Feb 10, 2012 8:52 AM CST reply actions

I vote straight fWAR

I think there’s still going to be a normal BCB fantasy league for the category-inclined, so I think it would be cool to make this one entirely different and more of a draft the best “real” team contest.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 10, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions

Well you could make a list of the team leaders in categories like batting runs, pitching runs, baserunning, defense

Those are the categories but fWAR is just the total.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 10, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions

I suppose you could draft a team of a bunch of shorstops and center fielders for backups and win the positional adjustment category

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 10, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions

Yuniesky Betancourt is a first-round pick in the Positional Adjustment category.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 10, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions

I want straight fWAR

because then I can just average the last 3 years or so of fWAR and draft while being a) over tired, b) drunk, c) hung over or d) any or all of the above.

Thanks much to Cheeseandcorn for putting together an eligibility list I can VLOOKUP with fangraphs.

by ecocd on Feb 10, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions

Any day works for me.

by masondlo on Feb 13, 2012 12:54 PM CST reply actions

!!!!!!!!! FEBRUARY 19 DRAFT !!!!!!!!!

So let’s plan for having the draft (or at least the first part) this Sunday, February 19. How about 2:00 PM CST?

We’ll do the draft in a Google spreadsheet that I’ll make and post the url to sometime between now and and Sunday. To make things easier (so it’s not all Anonymous129129) please try to get a Google Docs account at some point if you don’t have one already; you can use other e-mail addresses to register one, it takes like 20 seconds.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 14, 2012 3:40 PM CST reply actions

Two questions just came up in my mind about the draft

Don’t know if they’ve been answered already, so if they have, laugh at me and point me to the correct place.

- Will the draft be randomized? If so, when will the randomization occur, and when will the order be announced?
- Will it be in snake format or a regular format?

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by -JP- on Feb 14, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions

If a snake draft is not regular what is?

by Saltire on Feb 14, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions

Regular format would be the standard order.

You decide an order, and that’s the order for every round. It’s not like a snake draft, where the order flips each round.

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by -JP- on Feb 14, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions

I can randomize the draft order using a “random” numbers generator once we have the final list of people, so maybe a day or two before the draft?

I would prefer a snake draft, especially given the size of the league (huge difference between #1 and #18 vs. #19 and #36), but nothing is set in stone. I’m guessing most fantasy leagues are snake though? Otherwise it seems kind of unfair.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 14, 2012 6:56 PM CST up reply actions

I'd much prefer snake over the standard order JP describes

I’ve never been in a fantasy draft that wasn’t snake order.

by Cheeseandcorn on Feb 14, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions

Neither have I

which is why I wondered what he describing by standard.
Snake draft is definately the way to go.

by Saltire on Feb 15, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions

Snake is the best option I think

Do you want an official formal list of who is in beforehand then?

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 14, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, hopefully

Though mainly just so I can set up a spreadsheet listing all the participants/rosters. For draft order I can just go down the list and assign a random number between 1-1000, and that can determine the first round order.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 14, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions

Sounds like an interesting league

If you need any extra team I might be interested

by brewerspug on Feb 18, 2012 9:37 AM CST reply actions

I missed this, sorry!

We are doing the draft in less than an hour, but I’m guessing at least one person won’t show up (or maybe not), so if you actually read this in time you can take their spot in the event that happens!

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 19, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions

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