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We still don't know what's going on with Ryan Braun.

Some things to read while demonstrating poor taste.

We're 12 days away from pitchers and catchers reporting to spring training, and we're starting yet another week without any level of certainty regarding Ryan Braun's situation.Tom Haudricourt (behind the JS paywall) is reporting that the arbitration panel handling his case has a 25 day window to render a judgment, which expires a week from today.

The Brewers did cross one item off of their to-do list on Friday, signing Shaun Marcum to a one year, $7.725 million deal just before the two sides were scheduled for an arbitration hearing (FanShot). The deal represents the exact midpoint between the two sides and leaves Jose Veras as the Brewers' only potential case. Veras and the team are only $375,000 apart but the team is reporting no progress in negotiations. Adam McCalvy speculates that their hearing is likely sometime between today and the 18th, when pitchers and catchers report to Maryvale.

In less newsworthy transactions, the Brewers have also signed Frankie De La Cruz, Santo Manzanillo, Eric Farris, Mat Gamel, Taylor Green, Zelous Wheeler and Logan Schafer to 2012 contracts. All seven have less than three years of major league service time so they'll likely make near the league minimum (which is going up to $480,000 this season) for their time in the majors.

Coming into camp it looks like the Brewer bullpen will be more or less set, with John Axford, Francisco Rodriguez Kameron Loe, Zach Braddock, Manny Parra and Marco Estrada coming back and joined by Jose Veras. The situation may not be that simple, though, and Reviewing The Brew has a look at what could happen.

Speaking of bullpen candidates, The Brewer Nation continued their "Brewers By the (Jersey) Numbers" series with profiles of Brandon Kintzler and Frankie De La Cruz.

They're not often credited as the reasons for the Brewers exceeding expectations in 2011, but Baseball Daily Digest notes that both Corey Hart and Yovani Gallardo outperformed their PECOTA projections last season by a fair amount.

Finally, the Brewers wrapped up last week's bobblehead announcements by naming Aramis Ramirez as the final honoree: His bobbles will be distributed against the Mets on September 16.

In the minors:

  • Seedlings to Stars compiled the results of six top 100 prospect lists and noted that six Brewers made appearances on at least one, but no one appeared on more than three. They also say Wily Peralta might be "the most under-appreciated prospect in the game."
  • Hiram Burgos allowed just one run on four hits and struck out six over five innings but was the tough luck-loser as Mexico beat Puerto Rico 7-0 in the Caribbean World Series. You can read about that and more in today's Winter League Notes.
  • Cream City Cables has an interview with Nashville second baseman Eric Farris. (h/t @Mass_Haas)

It looks like voting for the #14 spot in our Community Prospect Rankings is going to come down to the wire, as Zelous Wheeler leads Orlando Arcia by one vote as of this writing. You have until 1 pm today to weigh in, and voting for #15 will open at 2.

Today's lone prediction/power ranking comes from The Baseball Index, who predicts the Brewers will finish third in the Central behind the Cardinals (division winner) and Reds (Wild Card).

Looking back, Jon Baas stopped by this weekend to offer an update on his Milwaukee Brewers Replay project, which has now used Baseball Mogul to re-simulate the 2011 season through June. This month's most significant development might be Mat Gamel's breakout performance.

Around baseball:

Dodgers: Signed pitcher Todd Coffey to a one year, $1.3 million deal with a club option for 2013.
Marlins: Lost their arbitration case with pitcher Anibal Sanchez, who will make $8 million in 2012.
Nationals: Re-signed outfielder Rick Ankiel to a minor league deal.
Orioles: Designated pitcher Clay Rapada for assignment and released pitcher Rick VandenHurk.
Pirates: Signed pitcher Brian Tallet to a minor league deal.
Rays: Won their arbitration case with pitcher Jeff Niemann, who will receive $2.75 million in 2012.
Red Sox: Signed pitcher Alfredo Aceves to a one year, $1.2 million deal to avoid arbitration.
Rockies: Acquired pitcher Jeremy Guthrie from the Orioles for pitchers Matt Lindstrom and Jason Hammel and signed reliever Matt Belisle to a one year contract extension that will pay him $4.3 million in 2013.

Last week I mentioned that 2012 could be a bad year for baseball in several cities, as nine teams are projected to have a 10% or better chance of losing 100 games. I guess it's only fair that I present this opposing view: Jon Paul Morosi of Fox Sports says 2012 could be the best season ever.

In former Brewers:

  • The Cecil/Prince Fielder situation took another turn for the worse this weekend when Cecil said he was planning to "take the high road" while being inducted into the Ted Williams Hitters Hall of Fame, but then proceeded to publicly bash his son anyway.
  • Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times has a great post today on one-hitters, which mentions that Jerry Hairston Jr. has provided the single hit in a game for three different teams. Follow the link for notes featuring Ben Oglivie, Paul Molitor, Charlie Moore and James Mouton.
  • High Heat Stats also notes that Hairston's eighth inning HBP on September 26 was tied for the tenth most valuable plunk in all of baseball in 2011.
  • Carson Cistulli of NotGraphs remembers the time Glenn Braggs broke a bat across his back.
  • Baseball America has a story on Craig Counsell's transition to the front office, but it's subscriber-only.

Sunday's edition of Today In Brewer History celebrated Hank Aaron's 78th birthday, and Plunk Everyone notes that his 32 career HBP are the third most ever for a batter born on February 5. This morning's edition of Today In Brewer History celebrates Bob Wickman's 42nd birthday.

Now, if you'll excuse me, it's in my head again.

Drink up.

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I watched a lot of playoff baseball...

but somehow managed to establish a mental block on “Written in the Stars.” I watched the Giants come out onto the field to it and still couldn’t tell you how it goes, or hum the melody. It might as well have been silent.

by mpbMKE on Feb 6, 2012 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

That was a really boring game last night.

I only watched most of it because a friend had a party and I didn’t want to be antisocial. I left before the game was over.

Also, I hate the Giants for using that song. Right now, I hate the NY Giants so much that I’m also starting to hate the SF Giants more.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I went back to the homepage after reading this...

and there was an advertisement for the SF Giants Fan Fest… SkyNet is in full effect.

by mpbMKE on Feb 6, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Ads on here must follow browsing history or something like that.

I once saw an ad on here for tickets for another MLB team (I think it was the Reds or Indians, don’t remember exactly). Last week, I was looking to order from Pizza Hut (I’m shaking my fist at you for a second, Yar Nivek), and then saw Domino’s ads on the website after that.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Braun

So, can we take anything away from how long it’s taking the panel to render a verdict?

I know I’m in the minority here, but it matters to me whether Braun was seeking an illegal and unfair advantage. Even if he’s suspended, I’ll maintain some degree of peace knowing that he wasn’t intending to cheat.

I wonder if the fact that this case wasn’t open and closed means that his appeal at least gave the panel something to think about…

Steve
http://nohuddleoffense.blogspot.com

by stigmo on Feb 6, 2012 12:43 PM CST reply actions  

Regardless of the decision of the appeal panel

I doubt you’re ever going to hear Braun say he took something to gain an unfair advantage… at least not while he’s still playing.

by sjlee on Feb 6, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know that you're in the minority, even here

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Feb 6, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I imagine the arbiter has other things he's working on

The 3-member panel will always be the Union Rep in favor of the player and the MLB rep in favor of the drug test findings. The 3rd party arbiter probably just has a lot of other cases he’s working on. Give a man 25 days to give an answer and he’ll take at least 24 every time. He probably has 3-10 deadlines per week and he’ll work on the case that’s due today, not the case that’s due next week.

It may be really important to us, but it’s just another job for him.

by ecocd on Feb 6, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

As I understand it they wouldn't actually announce anything if it's overturned

Considering it was supposed to be confidential all along. So maybe Braun’s group won’t know until the last day if they are planning to overturn.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 6, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

That's how I understand it, too

If the appeal is successful, MLB won’t say anything (but Braun’s people most certainly will). If the appeal is unsuccessful, MLB will announce a the positive test and suspension.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Feb 6, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You're not in the minority, sadly.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 6, 2012 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Why is this sad?

Hoping that something I enjoyed was not tainted?

Everybody cheats all the time is not a valid response.

Steve
http://nohuddleoffense.blogspot.com

by stigmo on Feb 6, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll just agree to disagree. Probably not best to open the Old Vegas portal on here again.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 7, 2012 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

re: Hardball Times

For my memory, the person I remember being the expert at breaking up no-hitters was Nelson Liriano. I’m trying to remember exactly when and how, but I remember watching him do it more than once, for more than one team. It was unusual considering the low # of career PAs he had, it sticks out in my memory.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Feb 6, 2012 1:17 PM CST reply actions  

I like musicians like Bon Iver. That's the kind of music that I usually listen to.

But for some reason, I’ve never been able to like Bon Iver himself very much, no matter how much I want to. He has a couple songs that I enjoy, but everything else is just mediocre.

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 6, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He's opening up for the Dropkick Murphy's

in Minneapolis on Feb 25, it’s one of the few dates I have circled on the calendar before opening day…

by NatronJ on Feb 6, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Bon Iver isn't a "he."

It’s a “they.” Justin Vernon is the front man for Bon Iver and Volcano Choir (which is composed of him and the Milwaukee band Collection of Colonies of Bees).

by mpbMKE on Feb 6, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Frank Turner is a he,

unless I’m missing something…

I could be wrong but I doubt Bon Jovi’s kid would open for the Dropkick Murphy’s.

by NatronJ on Feb 6, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

...

Nesting off a different topic. I like Frank Turner a lot.

by mpbMKE on Feb 6, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually think Bon Iver is utterly terrible

Far, far too emo for my taste.

But I understand some people like cucumbers better pickled.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Feb 6, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Bon Iver sucks. Some people don't.

Is that more clear?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Feb 7, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh.

I think they sound emo.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Feb 7, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow,

Cecil Fielder is kind of a dick. I’m guessing that publicly undermining everything that Prince has accomplished isn’t going to help them patch things up. I love it when people say they are “taking the high road” and then proceed to do the most gutless, hurtful thing possible. Yikes.

by NatronJ on Feb 6, 2012 1:49 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Someone needs to tell Cecil Fielder "Don be a dick."

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Inside joke.

Started here.

Continued here.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't remember how the specific saying "Don be a dick" came about,

But after the AAA season Money gave an interview to McCalvy where he buried Gamel, Gindl and a handful of his other former players. Then he got “reassigned” way down the ladder this winter.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Feb 6, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahhhh

I wouldn’t leave that rum sitting out here with this group.

I do remember that interview now as well…

by NatronJ on Feb 6, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting

to read the comments on that article on other websites. I think most people here are going to say Cecil is the problem. Lots of people elsewhere seem to think Prince is the problem. Hard to understand that considering the comments Cecil is making publicly. I’m guessing BOTH of them are part of the problem, but really, for a parent to say their kid is a jerk – aren’t you really just blasting your own parenting skills?

by Whiffleball Tony on Feb 6, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone thinks Cecil was a very good father... even Cecil will admit that

Where the line gets drawn is whether or not Prince should get over it. My guess is that some of his extended family thinks Prince should forgive his father… which is where the division is occurring.

by sjlee on Feb 6, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You'd be surprised.

Some of the comments out there are blasting Prince pretty badly, basically saying he should be kissing his dad’s feet for the DNA he inherited. Of course, discussion board comments are worth the paper they are printed on.

by Whiffleball Tony on Feb 6, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I was only addressing the rift within Fielder's family

As far as discussion board comments, if that’s their main argument, then they’re not really worth reading.

by sjlee on Feb 6, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem is Cecil

Either he is at fault, or his son – being the result of his upbringing and being ripped off by his dad – is ther result of Cecil’s actions. Either way there’s no excaping it. Cecil just sounds sour that his son is getting a ton of money he can’t gamble away.

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Feb 6, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Took mom's side.

Can’t blame him. I bet his relationship with his maternal family is nothing like his relationship with his paternal family.

by mpbMKE on Feb 6, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You're probably right.

And it certainly seems like Prince is doing a good job with his boys. Although, you also hear stories about how Prince was with his dad all the time in the clubhouse and such, so who knows. Plenty of time to screw it all up. Family issues really seem to run in families…

by Whiffleball Tony on Feb 6, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Cecil stole a butt ton of money from Prince.

And he’s been a prick ever since, from what the public sees.

Baseball, you can't get here soon enough.

by Tepo6688 on Feb 6, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

I believe it was some of his signing bonus money when he was first drafted by the Brewers. Plus, I believe Cecil gambled away alot of money.

by sjlee on Feb 7, 2012 1:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Who thinks Prince is the problem?

Does that person really exist?

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 6, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup, he's Cecil Fielder

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 6, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed

A couple samples to laugh at from the Tampa Bay Times (I believe they broke the story?):
“Name your kid prince expect him to act like a princely ahole The father has values. The kid? not so much.”

“Cecil was and is a class act, his son is another story, I’m glad the Rays left him and his attitude alone. "

Again, web comments are worth the paper they are printed on…

by Whiffleball Tony on Feb 6, 2012 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

What?

Idiotic comments on a newspaper’s website? Sounds alot like OV.

by sjlee on Feb 7, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Quiet day...

Could use some big breaking news.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 2:33 PM CST reply actions  

BREWERS SIGN ZOMBIE BABE RUTH!!!!

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Feb 6, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

HIS ROLE IN PRIDE AND PREJUDICE AND ZOMBIES WILL BE BIG PUBLICITY BOOST FOR BREWERS.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Can he play short?

Sorry force of habit

I hate Yuni.

by BrewCrewBrian on Feb 6, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

22 minutes for the first shortstop joke...

I was starting to wonder if something was wrong with all of the regulars here.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Although not officially stricken from the code,

I believe that bylaw of the BCB Posters Union has been phased out by the de facto lack of enforcement.

I hearby move that “can he play short” become an optional response.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

That should be "hereby".

I’m very clearly not a lawyer.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

There didn't seem to be much interest in the Union

The leadership wasn’t strong enough.

Or the joke just wasn’t funny enough.

by ecocd on Feb 6, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you post that knowing

its Babe Ruth’s birthday today?

by NatronJ on Feb 6, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I did not

Cool

"Our attitude is we look at ourselves and we grade ourselves. And even if we don’t like what’s happening on the other side, we don’t make a — it’s not our business" - Tony Larussa

by mnbrewer on Feb 6, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Airplane is a better movie than any Will Ferrell film that's not Anchorman.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

The truth is never controversial

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Feb 6, 2012 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

No. But I think Anchorman and Airplane are at least debatable.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Why's that?

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Because Blazing Saddles is imo opinion the greatest comedy of all time

Doesn’t mean Anchorman is bad or anything like that, I just think anything compared to Blazing Saddles is losing.

by cwolf20 on Feb 6, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay good.

I was worried you thought it was Airplane > Anchorman > Blazing Saddles.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I love Anchorman too, but come on, no way.

Solve for X: 5.5 (Fielder) + 0.3 (McGehee) + 0.5 (Betancourt) < X (Gamel) + 3.6 (Ramirez) + 1.1 (Gonzalez)... X >= 1.7 fWAR!

by SRB on Feb 6, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Hilary Swank is not hot.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Welcome to the internet, Hilary

The subterranean lords of the realm find you unworthy

Mark Attanasio is the best.

by nullacct on Feb 6, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I love that he's smoking

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~Doug Melvin

"Something always good seems to happen when he's in there. Numbers matched up good."

~RRR

by Charlie Marlow on Feb 7, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Skyrim vs. Civilization: Which is more addictive?

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

CIV by far

I’ve been playing the Civ games pretty consistently since Civ II – so I measure addition to that in terms of years.

Ugh, Shortstop

by theBrouhaha on Feb 6, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I couldn't get into Civ V, tbh

I played the crap out of Civ III and I played the sh*t out of Civ IV. Civ V is just plain boring. One unit per hex just made the entire combat system too simplistic and conquering cities is just a complete PITA now. Whoever thought of the puppet city thing should never be allowed to play Civilization, let alone design it.

by ecocd on Feb 6, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Prefer the hex map

and, honestly, I prefer the lack of unit stacking. I regularly scourge the countryside with my marauding band of invaders, but now I have to be damn sure I know how, where, and when to attack, rather than just bum rushing opponents. Really makes air superiority a crucial element.

by mpbMKE on Feb 7, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Goes great with Popplers.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

"Too similar to those frozen rocky mountain oysters on a stick."

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask is not a bad game.

Also, Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword is a decent game. I’m still not finished with it (at about 27-28 hours in), but it does get better as you get farther in. However, it’s still nowhere near the best three games in the series (Twilight Princess, Ocarina of Time, Link to the Past).

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Majora's Mask was not a bad game

I agree. It just was such a crazy change of tone and atmosphere from OoT that I just didn’t want to play it.

by cwolf20 on Feb 6, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

That is very true. It was a very big change from Ocarina of Time, probably too big.

Here’s my problem with the way Nintendo has been developing the Legend of Zelda series. They show us these stunning scenes using Legend of Zelda characters, then throw cell shading at us. While cell shading isn’t necessarily bad, it feels like I’m being cheated from the real experience.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's your controversial statement:

Super Mario 64 was better than any Zelda game.

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 6, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I would agree with that statement for every game other than Twilight Princess

The reason is because it was just so revolutionary. I remember standing in a Toys R’ Us when I was younger and playing the demo of that game. It was amazing at the time.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely debatable

But SM64 and OoT are always 1 and 2 on basically every “best N64 games” list. I have a hard time putting either in front of the other.

by cwolf20 on Feb 6, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Super Mario, Mario Kart, Goldeneye, Rayman, Donkey Kong 64...

There are a lot of games I prefer more than Ocarina of Time for the N64, but I just have never really like Zelda all that much. I’m not all that big of a video game guy, either, though.

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 6, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Mario Kart 64 was awesome

While I liked Super Mario 64 and LoZ: OoT, you can really only play the games through once. OTOH, you could play MK64 over-and-over with your friends, and it never gets old. The re-play value makes it a better game IMO.

by sjlee on Feb 6, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I beg to differ.

I would play Super Mario 64 to no end. If I had a reliable ROM and emulator for it, I still would. Best game I’ve ever played.

by mpbMKE on Feb 6, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone has a date.

Even you, Mario, going after Princess Peach. What am I doing? I’m just enabling you.

Oh, Mario. How I wish I could control everyone the way I can with you. Hop you little plumber! Hop, hop, hop!

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't have a Wii?

You could always buy it for the Virtual Console on there for $10.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Virtual64 is one I've used successfully

If you own the game, I see no problems with playing it on an emulator.

by cwolf20 on Feb 7, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

That's the thing.

The controllers I’ve had have ceased to function, and there’s nothing quite like playing it with that plastic monstrosity that Nintendo made.

by mpbMKE on Feb 7, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure you could find someone online who makes a 3rd party replica of the controller for the actual system.

Otherwise, find a used game store (not Gamestop) and they probably have something. There’s at least two here in Madison that I will go to if I’m looking for something on older systems, and they have stuff from as far back as the original NES.

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by -JP- on Feb 7, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

My controversial statement

Diddy Kong Racing is better than Mario Kart 64

by flyingtoasters on Feb 6, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll agree with your controvesial statement.

Diddy Kong Racing was very underrated. Also, SNES Mario Kart was better than Mario Kart 64.

by Archibaldcrane on Feb 6, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Lies.

Damned lies. Diddy Kong Racing was great and all, but MK64 was so, so good.

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 6, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Hard to argue with most of this

Mario 64 is just an outstanding game. Not many games have stood the test of time as well as that one has. New discoveries happen constantly, and you can find people streaming the game daily. Mario Kart 64 is fantastic as well, though I would agree with the statement below that Super Mario Kart was better, but that’s because it just made use of what was available to it more efficiently. I would take any of you on in either one. You have to respect Goldeneye if you’re an FPS fan. I’ve never played Rayman. DK64 could in theory be above OoT, but the gameplay is just too slow there, especially compared to the Donkey Kong Country games. Speed up character movement by 25-50% and we might have an all-time classic.

Also, I love you guys more all the time.

by jkoper on Feb 6, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Now, when playing with friends, I personally enjoyed the Mario Party series.

Then I stopped having friends because of the Mario Party franchise.

Look, it’s not my fault that they all stunk and I was incredible. Yes I got angry when the game cheated for the other players because it knew I was better. Oh, look at you, two straight mystery box stars? How fucking nice. I’ve bought seven by kicking your green Yoshi ass up and down the freaking pirate ship pole.

by Noah Jarosh on Feb 6, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Super Mario 64 is like ten times better than any Zelda game.

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by SRB on Feb 6, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

As a huge fan of SM64

This is a ridiculous statement. You may hate the Zelda series, but any objective person realizes the awesomeness of OoT.

by cwolf20 on Feb 7, 2012 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I think OoT is great.

Super Mario 64 is THAT GOOD!

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by SRB on Feb 7, 2012 1:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Legend of Zelda and The Adventure of Link are far, far superior to Twilight Princess

I bought TP with my Wii, played maybe 8 hours and said “fuck it, this is dumb”.

by Archibaldcrane on Feb 6, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Your mistake may have been playing it on the Wii.

The game was just thrown onto the Wii so they had a big name title to release with the Wii. It was originally intended for the GameCube, and that’s the system that it should be played on.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes and no.

It is more of a party system, and there are the Nintendo-exclusive franchise I love that I have to play on the Wii. However, beyond those few franchises (Mario, Legend of Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox), there are very few games I would buy for the Wii.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Forgot about Kirby

Not as much of a fan of the Kirby games, but that is a series that I like to play.

Also, Katamari Damacy (and the Katamari games in general) rules. It is so random, yet so much fun, especially once you get the ball big enough to start rolling up people.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

There were two games in the Kirby series that I absolutely loved.

Kirby Superstar and Kirby’s Dream Course.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Katamari is excellent

Thoughtless gameplay that’s fun and weird humor.

Best game ever? Earthbound.

by Mr. McGehee on Feb 6, 2012 9:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know if I would go with best game ever.

However, it is definitely one of the best ever made.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought about it last night

Earthbound would be the 3rd best RPG on the SNES. I can’t decide which is the best, so I made it a tie.

My Top 5:

T1 – Final Fantasy III (aka FFVI)
T1 – Chrono Trigger
3 – Earthbound
4 – Super Mario RPG
5 – Final Fantasy II (aka FFIV)

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by -JP- on Feb 7, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Just want to make a clarification on this

This is only pure RPGs that I considered on this list. I know some people consider Legend of Zelda games as RPGs, but I don’t.

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by -JP- on Feb 7, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with FFVI at #1

I think Chrono Trigger is chronically overrated (still a fantastic game), and Super Mario RPG was amazing. the only knock I have on it is how short it is.

I’d put it this way:

1) FFVI
2) Super Mario RPG
3) Chrono Trigger
3) Earthbound
5) FFIV

FFV should get consideration too, but it was Japan only (how stupid is that?). There are probably several others that I’m forgetting as well, as the SNES was the RPG console.

Would you consider Secret of Mana an RPG? I wouldn’t, but some might.

by cwolf20 on Feb 7, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I never got very far in FF Tactics.

Two things bugged me about it:

- When characters died, they stayed dead if you didn’t revive them quick enough.
- I couldn’t power level in it so I was constantly underpowered for battles.

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by -JP- on Feb 7, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

You can definitely power level in FFT

The squire power “Accumulate” gets you 10 XP and job points and you can use it with any class if you just assign it. Just get the power and speed break attacks for the knight. You can also put the last guy to sleep with various spells. The Yell ability for Ramza also allows you to speed certain players up so they get more turns.

The big key to that game is getting your movement range really large. Move+3 is really valuable.

Permadeath adds to the game in my opinion. Once you get the auto-potion ability and later “MP switch” or “blade grasp”, it becomes pretty tough to die. As long as your brave stat is high, you counter every time.

by cwolf20 on Feb 7, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

That's tough to say.

It wouldn’t be top 5 among my RPGs, but would be top 10. I’d say yes because it has enough RPG elements to be considered an RPG.

If you want to throw the “action RPGs” into the discussion, none of these would be in my top 5 but would be up there:

- Illusion of Gaia
- Secret of Evermore
- SoulBlazer

Also, not really an action RPG, but also came to mind: ActRaiser. It’s a different type of game, but was still good.

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by -JP- on Feb 7, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

You forgot Smash Brothers.

As punishment, you must go eat a calzone.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 6, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll come right out and say it

Melee was a far more deep game when it comes to competitive play. I will take Melee all day to either of the other two and it’s not close.

by cwolf20 on Feb 7, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't forget it

I just considered it under the “Mario” series (for whatever reason…I know it’s not strictly a “Mario” game).

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by -JP- on Feb 7, 2012 1:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I have maybe 6 games for the Wii, and I haven’t played a game on it in years. It’s only used for Netflix on our bedroom TV (small CRT).

All my gaming is done strictly on the Xbox now.

by sjlee on Feb 7, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Nah

I didn’t have a gameplay issue – I just hated all the sequences with the wolf because they were so soul-crushingly linear and the link sequences were just terribly paced and slow.

by Archibaldcrane on Feb 6, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

You must have been really taking your time then.

Skyward Sword is terribly paced and slow. Twilight Princess may not have been as fast as other games, but the story, graphics, gameplay, etc., are the best in the series.

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Common complain for sure

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say they like the tear-collection sequences. However, did you play through the Goron Mines? Man, I loved the gameplay in that dungeon, and there were plenty of little moments like that through the rest of the game for me.

by jkoper on Feb 6, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

The tear collection sequences were a bit boring.

They brought them back for Skyward Sword, ended up being annoying and boring (in the sequences for this game, if you get hit even once by an enemy during the tear collection sequence, you have to start over, it’s a smaller area to search but annoying to get through)

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by -JP- on Feb 6, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

I’ve heard that playing the Wii version of Resident Evil 4 is even better than the epic gamecube version – haven’t done it myself though, despite beating RE4 on GC like 5 times.

by Archibaldcrane on Feb 6, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Quick addendum on Skyward Sword.

The story just got really deep and good (at about 30 hours in). One thing I have to say on the Legend of Zelda series. In every game from A Link to the Past on, that moment when Link gets the Master Sword: No matter how many different games and how many times I see it, I still get chills every time.

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by -JP- on Feb 7, 2012 1:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmm

Maybe that’s why Majora’s Mask and Link’s Awakening don’t get enough recognition.

by jkoper on Feb 7, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotta love Twitter

Mitch Stetter tweets “#youshouldnevertrust a cat” and Frank Catalanatto responds with an “Even me?”

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

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