The Reinforcements
All the prospect lists coming out before spring training got me thinking about how the cycle of young Brewer pitchers is starting to swing back toward the upper levels of the minors. Last year, at least, Taylor Green and Mat Gamel were really the only big names who had a good shot at coming up from AAA and producing in season. Sure, Michael Fiers got his 2 innings in September, but this year there's a handful of pitchers who could see some big league action in case of need in the bullpen or (and hopefully not) injury to the big league rotation. The last significant Brewer starting pitcher prospect to make it to the majors was Yovani Gallardo. Mark Rogers showed signs of hope 2 years ago before falling off most prospect lists this year. With this flood of solid, and some high-upside, arms approaching the top of the minors it's time to get excited again about possibly seeing some of these guys in action during the season. I'm sure many of us remember the day Gallardo was called up like it's yesterday, there's just something exciting about a new pitcher, and it's infinitely more exciting than the carousel of folks like Sean Green, Jorge Julio, Elmer Dessens, Julian Tavarez, and Claudio Vargas types we've been subjected to in the past couple of years. It's just so much more fun to have a neat prospect be the long man. I make no claims on being an expert on who actually might be at the top of the list for a callup in case of injury or ineffectiveness in the current bullpen, and it might well depend on performance this season, but I'll try my hand at a few options.
Wily Peralta, 6'2", 240, age 22, finished 2011 at AAA. He's the #1 prospect in our own community rankings and the Disciples of Uecker Prospect Rankings revealed this week. There's not much to not like with Peralta, who throws hard, gets strikeouts, and kept the BB/9 rate in the 3s last year. He did most of his work (120 innings) at AA in 2011, and pitched 31 stellar innings at AAA to close out the season. The knocks on Peralta coming through the system were his lack of stamina to go deep in games, raw secondary pitches, and lack of control. He's managed to drop his walk rate, develop his pitches, and go deep into games while maintaining velocity, and there aren't any knocks on him anymore. On a team with a pitching staff less strong than the Brewers (for example, every Brewers team before 2011-2012) he'd be a lock as a midseason callup if he throws well to start the year. I'd think he'd be option number 1 if a starter went down for a significant period of time (as you'd think Marco Estrada would be the short-term spot starter, if need be). Either way, I think Peralta will force his way on to the staff one way or another by the end of the season, even in the bullpen if that's the only spot available, if he pitches anything like he did in 2011. I sure hope he's not needed in the starting rotation, but his middle to high 90s fastball could be an asset out of the pen in August, September and October. I'd say the odds are he pitches a significant amount of innings for the Brewers in 2012.
Tyler Thornburg, 5'11", 185, age 23, finished 2011 at A+. He split 2011 between Wisconsin and Brevard County and had a great season, striking out over 11 per 9 innings and walking only 3.8. He's shot to the top of a couple of prospect lists, he's at 3 in the BCB ratings and 4 in the DoU list. Scouts have had issues with Thornburg's size and penciled him into the bullpen ever since he was drafted, but that's not fair to him yet because he has done nothing but produce. The problem with Thornburg right now is that his high 90s fastball tends to trail off later in games. He will most likely spend all of his age 23 season at AA but could be in line for a promotion to AAA if he pitches well in his first assignment. He's a college-drafted pitcher, so there's no reason to slow him down if he overmatches his competition. In the long run it makes sense to give Thornburg every chance to be a starter, in the short term he could certainly be an option out of the bullpen as a late-season callup if the need arises. I'd say the chances of Thornburg making his major league debut in 2011 aren't that great, but they aren't zero either. Hopefully, he won't need to.
Cody Scarpetta, 6'3", 244, age 23, finished 2011 at AA. Scarpetta had a solid season in 2011 but it wasn't the kind of season he needed to make a convincing case that he deserved a shot in the big leagues this season. He sits at 11 in the BCB community rankings and 10 in the DoU rankings. Scarpetta has a big fastball and a nice-looking curveball, but only managed 7.5 K to 4.4 BB per 9 innings last year at AA. He put up a 3.85 ERA, matching his 2010 total, but also has yet to top 128 innings in his career. 2012 is a big year for Scarpetta. He has to stay on the 40-man roster, so he's automatically going to be considered for a callup when a pitcher is needed. However, he needs to really establish that he deserves a shot at the big league level. I could certainly see Scarpetta spending some time in 2012 in the majors as a long man if a couple of guys in the bullpen go down mid-season.
Taylor Jungmann, 6'6", 220, age 22, didn't pitch in the minors in 2011. Jungmann has been projected by most to begin 2011 at A+, but that might well be a short stop for him if the competition is a bit too easy. Jungmann is a typical, workhorse, advanced college pitcher with a fastball that can get ground balls-- a kind of guy who should be able to dominate at high A at age 22. We will likely see him at AA at some point in 2012. When he was drafted, Jungmann was considered one of those guys who could play in the majors the year or year after he was drafted. Fortunately, the Brewers won't need a pitcher that badly this season to force the issue. In case of emergency, however, Jungmann isn't a bad guy to have stashed at AA late in the season-- if injury issues forced 2 starters out of the rotation at the same time, Jungmann might well be on the list of pitchers to consider to come up and fill in. The only clear-cuts I see ahead of him would be Marco Estrada and Wily Peralta, and likely Michael Fiers. I kind of heavily doubt that Jungmann makes his major league debut this season, but it's not as if it is out of the question.
Finally, I want to mention Michael Fiers, who made his major league debut with a couple of scoreless innings this past September. If everyone's healthy he's not going to make the opening day roster, but he's most likely the first guy to be called up if a pitcher is needed. There's plenty to be excited about with Fiers as well, but my point in this post is that instead of relying on some AAAA pitchers to come up and fill holes as the Brewers have had to do in the past (or even to fill out their roster out of spring training), there's going to be legitimate competition amongst prospects who are close to ready for the final spots on the major league roster. And if somebody goes down, it's not going to be Rick Helling coming up from AAA to make the next 3 starts, it's going to be a legitimate prospect. That's exciting and reassuring that the kind of depth is there to make a big run this year.
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"There's just something exciting about a new pitcher"
Oooooh, shiny!
Then they get tarnished, or the dog chews on them, or they give up a 3-run homer, and they’re no longer nearly as exciting.
Remember: Schadenfreude is still Freude.
In the past....
… either by design or desperation, the common approach this organization has taken is to develop bats and flip them for pitching when needed. It’s pretty obvious the new approach since Jack Z left is to get as many arms as possible on the theory that you can flip arms for a bat more easily than the other way around these days. At least that’s the way I see it; otherwise I’d be forced to conclude that an organization that was very good at identifying and developing hitters and not so good with pitchers suddenly reversed course completely a couple of years back. That just doesn’t seem likely to me.
Thus far, aside from the 3B disaster last year, there hasn’t really been much need to add a bat via trade the last couple years. This year, at least in my opinion, there’s a decent chance that by June Doug might be looking for a bat at 1B or RF, and I wonder which one of these guys he might move to do it. Doug should have a pretty good idea already how likely it is that we’ll extend Greinke or Marcum, which should in turn tell him how big of a surplus (if any) he might have to deal from. There’s an argument to be made that they should let both Greinke and Marcum go (or even deal them if the season starts badly) and trust that these kids will get you to competitive status again in a couple of years.
The problem with that argument, at least as I see it, is that some of the bats in the lineup that we’re relying on may be in steep decline or gone entirely before you can hope to have an above average rotation that includes Peralta and Jungmann, or others both mentioned and unmentioned here. Ramirez is here for 3 years and will almost certainly be in a steep decline the time he leaves. Hart turns 30 in a month. Weeks turns 30 in September. Even the guys that are likely to be easier to replace (like Morgan and Aoki) are 30+. I know that’s not a death sentence for a ball player, but it does make it fairly likely that one (and probably more of them) is going to reach the end of their best years soon, and probably well before this crop of young pitchers near the beginning of theirs. And that’s assuming that Peralta, Jungmann and one or more of the rest actually develop into the pitchers we’re hoping for, which is far from a given.
All of which is a long, roundabout way of saying that I fully expect a couple of these guys to get dealt in the next 12-18 months. If they don’t, I think that’s far more likely to be due to the big league team’s collapse and the inability to extend Greinke than it is a commitment to building a completely home-grown rotation that can compete at the big league level.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 9, 2012 5:59 PM CST reply actions
Given existing long term financial commitments, I don't think this team can afford a rebuilding stretch.
Even if it’s just one year. The most they could trim payroll down to is probably something like $75-80 million, and if the fans don’t show up to support a 72-75 win team in 2013 or 2014, then that’d be a huge financial problem.
So while it’s possible they’ll flip some of these guys for help, I think it’s unlikely they’ll use them to replace both Marcum AND Greinke (although one will probably replace Wolf).
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The increase in TV revenue next year while I doubt significently increasing payroll above the point
its at already should give the team a more solid foundation. I certainly think while 3 Million might be needed for a 90 Million payroll they could get by with 2-2.5 Million fans if their payroll dropped to 70 Million.
Granted I have no idea what the teams finances are but the team did manage a 57 Million dollar payroll in 2006 before the team was in the 3 million fan discussion and that was before the increases in ticket prices since then, as well as next years increase in tv revenue and general cost increases across the board.
Even if attendance nose dived and they had to slash payroll significantly Milwaukee should be able to support a 65-70 Millionish payroll. They finished 5th in 2006 and still almost had 57 Million in payroll with significantly lower revenues than they would have next year even in a terrible season.
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If it's a true rebuilding period, the Brewers have enough assets to sell off
They’ll be able to move Hart with 1 year on his contract and Weeks with 2 years for some pretty good pieces. Logan Schafer and Scooter Gennett will be ready to take the field. Moving Ramirez would be difficult without kicking in quite a bit of cash, but it would still save salary and Taylor Green could cover 3rd base. Keep Go-Go around in CF, fill the rotation with Narveson, young guys and Estrada.
The Brewers can cut salary pretty effectively in 2013 if they’re willing to trade Hart and Weeks while replacing them with young, cheap guys to make a run in 2014.
I dont think they would move Weeks
Althought Hart might be a valuable piece to trade, the players you speak of for the 2013 roster are the types that are starters on teams that win 60 some games. Braun of course would stick around, as well as Gallardo and Weeks to have some sort of core, but a team that has Schafer, Gennet and Narveson as regulars would be pretty dismal.
As to Kyle’s point above about not being able to afford a rebuild because of long term commitments, I agree that they could not afford to financially, but could be forced to if the team starts to perform very poorly and the gate starts to decrease. Without Marcum and Greinke in 2013, this team could easily turn into a Cubs or Astros type of roster wtih quite a few expensive contracts coupled with poor overall performance on the field. Doug Melvin definitely would not be the guy in charge, if some sort of rebuild were to take place though, and I would be very interested to see if MA would be willing to undergo such a project at the corrrect time.
What contracts do the Brewers have that get even close to Carlos Lee/Zambrano/Soriano?
Braun? With inflation, 20 mil in 2016 isn’t a big deal.
Its not a numbers based analogy to the Cubs or Astros
But a percentage one compared with what the market might bear.
If they were to extend Greinke, and keep Braun,Gallardo, Weeks, Ramirez all on board at $10 million plus per year. If the team continues to build through free agent signings, there will come a point where they have way more than they might be able to bear financially even if they are successful and draw 3 million fans per year. Add to it the possibility that only one of those “highly ranked” pitching prospects pans out, things start to look very grim 2013 and beyond.
Difference is Braun, Gallardo, and Weeks are all all-star caliber players in their prime through 2014
Those guys the Cubs and Astros have committed to long term are pretty bad. It’s not like there wouldn’t be a trade market for Braun, Gallardo, or Weeks. And they’re not keeping Greinke unless it’s a reasonable extension, they’re not going to pay free agent market value for him I’m fairly certain.
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Brewers have $209.35MM in salary commitments as of the beginning of the 2013 season.
But $125.5MM of that is Braun, through 2021, and that’s not counting the deferments he’s taking beyond that. Including Randy Wolf’s buyout, the team has $49MM guaranteed to 8 players for the 2013 season alone.
Braun – $125.5MM / $8.5MM due in 2013
A-Ram – $30MM / $10MM
Weeks – $21MM / $10MM
YoGa – $19.6MM / $7.75MM
Hart – $10MM / $10MM (final year, no buy-out in 2014)
Aoki – $1.75MM / $1.25MM
Wolf – $1.5MM / $1.5MM (buyout)
Of those, Ramirez looks most obviously to be leading contender for an albatross contract, since he’s due another $16MM in 2014 with a $4MM buyout in 2015.
Assuming he isn’t traded prior to this, Hart’s contract is an expiring one, so he’s actually not that much of a burden, and could actually be a nice trade chip at that point depending on his production.
Rickie has an additional $11MM due in 2014 and an $11MM option for 2014, but it doesn’t have a buyout, which means his contract would be rather tradeable, as well, if it came to that.
Gallardo’s deal is pretty team-friendly, especially if he continues pitching at a high level.
So Braun is the only really big, significant deal other than Ramirez, and I doubt the team is going to be wishing they could alter those terms any time soon.
I'd say the chances of Thornburg making his major league debut in 2011
are pretty much zero.
Seriously, though, it’s a good write up. I’m not certain they’ll bring up Thornburg for a bullpen spot if for no other reason than to get his innings up. If he only threw 120 innings last year, I would think they’re really going to want to bring that up into the 150 IP range this season. Having him throw another 120 inning season could slow his productivity at the major league level by a year.
I still remember Yo's first game... ahhh... It was a wonderfull and exciting day... I remember that amazing double he hit!
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Just realized that I can't wait for the first person to say "Free Wily!"
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