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Mismanaged Talent; Disastrous Change in Philosophy

Yost Destroying This Team? Wes Helms part II?

It also helps the Brewers that Graffanino has familiarity with Brewers manager Ned Yost. Both were in Atlanta when Graffanino played there from 1996-98. Graffanino is expected to arrive in Milwaukee Wednesday and will be at the Brewers afternoon game against the Pirates.

"He's going to bring veteran leadership," Yost said. "He's a solid player, nothing flashy but he's a solid defender. He's a lot like Cirillo in a lot of ways. He's a smart hitter."

I don't think there is any secret that Yost didn't want...

Star-divide

...Jorge De La Rosa on this team. JDLR, in 2005, went long stretches without seeing any action. After April of 2005 JDLR never got more than 7.2 innings of work in any month that season, culminating in a 3.1 inning September. In 2006 Yost went to a 13 man pitching staff most likely to make a point to Doug Melvin along the lines of, "you are making me keep him, but I don't have to use him."

In the first inning of his first major league start on May 30, 2006 Jorge De La Rosa struck out the side, catching two of them looking. He would get three more strike outs in the next two innings before surrendering a crushing 3 run homerun, and leave the game after just 3 innings and 6 ERs. He threw 72 pitches. In sporatic work throughout the year the 25 year old only broke 34 pitches once.

In his next start, June 4, 2006 Jorge De La Rosa cruised through 5 innings (allowing a solo shot by Alfonso Soriano, and a run on some terrible defense) before running into control problems in the sixth inning after 72 pitches. Amazingly, despite JDLR's clear control problems, Yost calls for an intentional walk of Mike Vento, who at this point had a grand total of 4 major league hits, to get to Tony Armas who was throwing a 1 hitter through 6 innings. JDLR walks Tony Armas, and Yost brings in arguably the last man in the bullpen Joe Winkelsas to face Alfonso Soriano with the bases loaded and Winkie surrenders a grand slam.

Finally, in his 3rd major league start and last as a Milwaukee Brewer, on June 9th 2006, JDLR met his end. JDLR again started strong, striking out the side in the first allowing only an infield single in the second and getting two ground outs in the third before having control issues again. a double, a walk, a wild pitch, and another double allowed amazingly only two runs before JDLR got out of the third.

In the fourth inning JDLR threw 9 pitches, one of them a strike, and one of them a wild pitch. Yost paid a visit to the mound. Interestingly, Yost brought a trainer out with him.

Two starts earlier, De La Rosa had suffered a split nail on the middle finger of his pitching hand. Before the game, Brewers manager Ned Yost declared the nail "a non-issue." But by the fourth inning, the issue had returned in the form of a blister.

As De La Rosa was in the process of walking the bases loaded to begin the inning, Yost and a trainer went out to examine the middle finger.

"He didn't say it was bothering him but I noticed he kept looking at it," Yost said.

On the mound, "I could see that it was cracked open," Yost said.

De La Rosa stayed out for one more batter, but after the third walk he was removed. And after the game, he was placed on the 15-day disabled list.

After that third walk, JDLR was removed for, guess who, Joe Winkelsas, who then proceeded to allow all of those walked hitters to cross the plate.

JDLRs three starts: 11.2 IP, 18 H, 15 ER, 10 BB, 13 K, 11.57 ERA, 2.40 WHIP.

Not too pretty, JDLR just couldn't get through 3 innings. If you look at his first two innings in each of his three starts his line is this:

6.0 IP, 8 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 9K, 1.50 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, 13.5 K/9

Dominant, but just as JDLR was turning the corner, he was thrown onto the fire and didn't have the stamina or coaching or relief pitching to get through it. When JDLR was gassed, it was clear, but the 'battling' philosophy of the Milwaukee Brewers leaves a 25 year old LH hard throwing reliever out there to work through it. When he came out of his three starts, Winkelsas allowed all of his inherited runners to score, that's 6 extra runs tacked on to JDLR's ERA over those 3 starts.

He's not a starter yet. Clearly. But if you can get those first 2 innings out of JDLR while he still develops he is helping the team now and tomorrow. Here's what happened. Yost quit on him and told Melvin, I don't want JDLR on the roster. He then requested a veteran 'battler' with a low strikeout rate. The Brewers misused and then gave up on some great talent for nothing.

The truth of the matter is that LH pitchers take longer to develop. None of the great LH pitchers in baseball had success in their first 95 innings, and very few, I can only find a couple, had success before their 26 year old season. LH talent like JDLR's just doesn't come along very often, and small market teams HAVE TO invest in the future. We can't afford to let bad coaching get in the way of player development.

Look at this line from his rehab stint and tell me he's not worth another shot:

30.0  IP, 31 H, 8 ER, 3 BB, 23 K, 2.40 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 6.9 K/9, 7.67 K/BB, 0.9 BB/9

This is a disastrous change in philosophy. It is time for a coaching change in Milwaukee.

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If the Royals are smart ...
They'd put him immediately in their rotation through the end of the season, then make a call to see if he can be a starter or a long reliever.  In any case, he needs work.  Oh, the Brewers could have done that in 2004 when they were going nowhere pitching assclowns Gary Glover and Victor Santos (both who are five years older than de la Rosa).

Sometimes Yost baffles me.

Nate

by nmc on Jul 26, 2006 11:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember
how high everyone was on him in the Sexson trade.  I'm a little on the fence, but yeah, I think he was not managed well at all.  

As to why he was handled so poorly (e.g., he gave Ned's wife a hug at Outback Steakhouse), I have no idea.  Could be incompetence on the Brewers' part, or maybe he's not coachable.

I guess we've been trying to find some use for him for 2-3 years now.  Whether it's our fault or his, I guess I don't mind having gotten something for him.  I don't think he was ever going to be successful as a Brewers, right or wrong.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 26, 2006 11:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Something"
Well, Graffanino certainly is something.  He's not Chris Barnwell.  But he's also not really anything else.  He's a guy a playoff-bound team uses to shore itself up for the last couple months of a pennant race.  With the Brewers, he'll just be gone or hopelessly redundant next year and not have helped do anything of importance this year.  It's not like they were going to miss the playoffs because of Chris Barnwell.

by battlekow on Jul 26, 2006 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind him
but maybe that's because I really didn't like having Barnwell on the roster.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 26, 2006 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

more proof
Melvin's hands were tied by Yost refusing to use JDLR.
"He can help us while we get through this injury bug right now," said Brewers GM Doug Melvin. "Hate to give up on a young arm like De La Rosa. We still think he's got a lot of potential."

my emphasis

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 26, 2006 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DLR
I've attended one game at Miller Park - Saturday, August 14, 2004. Not only was I witness to a beautiful baseball game - the Brewers lost 1-11 in embarrassing fashion (including a sweet collision between Ben Grieve and Overbay during the 7 run 9th), but I was also witness to the major league debut of Jorge De la Rosa.

5 IP 6H 4ER 2BB 0K 0HR 2WP

A life changing event no doubt.

Carlos Lee (MIL) is traded to LAA for McPherson, Morales, Saunders, Kendrick, Wood, Aybar, Mathis, Je. Weaver, and Napoli...

by ufoboy90 on Jul 26, 2006 11:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed
good analysis, nothing really to add except on the last sentence about a coaching change. this is a little off topic, but it seems like players really respond to and like ned yost and he seems to be a good motivator. i wonder if there just needs to be another person there on issues of game management. i believe this is where robin yount comes in, and i can't really question a guy like robin yount, but somebody needs to speak up when yost is about to do something that everyone and there mother can see is ridiculous (i.e. leaving de la rosa in with the blister on his finger and clearly seeing he is tired).

by Griswald on Jul 26, 2006 4:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish Robin had more say
but for the time being, it seems like he's deferring to Ned.  (As you'd expect, with Ned being the MGR and all.)  Robin apparently was very skeptical about the 13-man staff at first, but Ned said it was short-term...and then it stayed...and then it stayed...it's obvious who wears the baseball pants and stirrup socks in that relationship.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 26, 2006 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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