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Looking for the bright side, part II

Let's say, however fancifully, that today's move is part of some bizarre, drawn-out MASTER PLAN designed by Doug Melvin.  It was obvious (maybe months ago) that Lee would be moved, so some deal had to be made.  By making it today, with a series against the Reds before the deadline, there are still decisions to be made.

Scenario 1: We sweep the Reds.  

We start next week 3 games out of the wild card, and even have time to make one more deal...though I don't know what that would be.  We have a potentially great closer, we have a monster platoon in each outfield corner, and we could win this thing.

Scenario 2: We lose 2 or 3 games to the Reds.  

After crying ourselves to sleep on Sunday night, we wake up on Monday to find that Gord Ash has eaten all the pizza.  And that Doug has been working the phones.  After all, he still has mondo trading chips. Cordero has been great since May, and he has proven closer mojo.  Just about any contending team would want to get in on that.  If people are talking to the Rats about Roberto Hernandez, they'd surely be interested in Coco.  We also have Mench, who has been a hot commodity of sorts for the last 18 months, regularly appearing in trade rumors, especially linked to the Cardinals.

Scenario 3: We take 2 of 3 from the Reds.

I don't like this scenario, because we probably stand pat, though we're still five games out.  In this case, we trade someone to the Twins for Jose Cordero, because we want to complete the set and we don't know what else to do.  

In other words, this trade was a complicated hedge.  Lee had to go, and now we still have options with 74 hours to go before the deadline.  It may not be a clear win (far from it), but it will keep things interesting, and we could yet end up with a handful of prospects.

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Complete the set
awesome.

by thekranz on Jul 28, 2006 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeff's on a roll today.
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I'm a little better
Let's say...
  • Cruz = Nix.
  • Mench over two months almost = Lee over two months, and is for the moment way cheaper.  As was mentioned before (I think by Jacob), he's Lee 4 years ago.
  • We also get a pretty good pitcher in Cordero the Elder, plus an unheralded guy in A ball (Cordero the Lesser) who has good numbers.  
I guess that's not so bad.  We definitely could have done better --- maybe not Jered Weaver quality, but above-average pitching prospects, and perhaps a catcher --- but maybe it's not horrible.

It means, though, we have more work to do.  I hope "more work" means the end of the line for Jenkins and Clark, instead of trading Hart/Gross/Gwynn, or even flipping Nix or Mench.  I hope Doug's moustache does have Jeff's Master Scheme still in the works.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 12:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The thing is
I don't think Cruz=Nix. I think Krynzel=Nix, and Cruz=Mench.

by battlekow on Jul 28, 2006 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Charlie Steiner just said
Cruz = Dunn, and he is going to start right away?!?

That was a startling comment.

by thekranz on Jul 28, 2006 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cruz != Mench
Cruz = Mench is a big stretch i think. Mench is only 2 years older than Cruz and already has 80 career HRs.

Cruz might have a couple good years at the ML level, but he won't exceed what Mench will do in the next couple years, and then Cruz has peaked. Also, Cruz could still bust, whereas Mench has clearly made it to the next level.

Mench > Cruz > Nix

But i think

Cordero > Lee

So there that is.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 28, 2006 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mench's road numbers
.295/.338/.423

You don't think Cruz could put up .295/.338/.423 in the big leagues? Okay, I don't either, because he won't hit .295, but I think he'll easily slug better than .423.

by battlekow on Jul 28, 2006 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be right about Nix
I still don't like the trade, but even if Cruz is better than Nix, there's still the value of Cordero the Elder.

Not a good trade, but I'm coming in off the ledge.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exaggerated
he's Lee 4 years ago.

That's not quite right though, and I would like to take it back. :)

he's putting up numbers similar to lee did 4 years ago and probably has lee 3 years ago potential, but he's two years older already, and the splits are starting to show themselves.

I'd say he's definitely the right handed hitter in a platoon that could reproduce lee like numbers.

He's cheaper for this year and next, I think this trade, mench in arby and cordero with an option sets us up nicely for '07 while looking like we aren't quitting this year.

I thought at first, nice trade, then i thought if Mench platoons with Jenks very good trade, now that I can see 2007 lining up a bit, this has the potential to be a brilliant acquisition (Coco/Mench).

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 28, 2006 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant?
You must be really down on Cruz. He was .337/.422/.602 against LHP at Nashville.

by battlekow on Jul 28, 2006 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am.
Yes, I am down on Cruz.

It's cause at 23, when other prospects are showing themselves, Cruz was dominated by A-ball pitching. His K/BB ratio was 128/29.

Then, at 24 he put up some gaudy numbers against A+/AA pitching, when others are at AAA, and put up decent numbers in AAA. But K/BB ratio was 149/51.

2005 looked ok, and '06 looks great, i think he is just a little far behind, and i wonder if his success at the minors will translate.

On the plus side for Nelson, his OPS is supported by a nice high OBP despite the low walk rate. Guys that don't make contact very well don't jump to majors so well.

I fully admit I could be way wrong, but my hunch is he is overhyped. And I see the trade like this.

Cordero for Lee (not a bad trade)
Mech for Cruz (great trade)

So I still say great trade, and if'/07 lines up right, brilliant trade.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 28, 2006 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also
They are saying it was basically Cruz for A-ball Cordero.

by thekranz on Jul 28, 2006 1:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't know
It's how Steve Phillips put it on steiner's show and the same thing over at foxsports.

Only thing I can think, there must be a reason this guy (Cruz) has been shipped around so much.

by thekranz on Jul 28, 2006 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bleh
that doesn't seem right at all (Cruz for Julian) but...who knows.  This would kinda sorta make sense if we had gotten something (anything!) instead of Nix.  But stockpiling outfielders while getting rid of Cruz, that's what confuses me.  I just have to figure Doug is going to keep dealing.  2 of these three guys could be gone by Opening Day, 2007...or opening day, next week.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 28, 2006 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if Cruz and Nix weren't part of the deal?
I think I'd like that a lot better.  The more I read about him, the more Nix seems like Krynzel, and I don't think we're going to be able to move him, now or ever.  

Maybe the Rangers wouldn't do Lee for Mench and the Corderos.  (I saw Mench and the Corderos once live.  They rocked the house.)  So maybe Cruz and Nix even it out some?

I dunno.  I can only hope that Jacob is right and Cruz is overrated.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cruz
Cruz, or some OF prospect has to be included in the deal for Texas, cause when Lee is gone, they need something to show for trading away their set up man and their left fielder.

So we say Lee for Cordero and Mench, they say, ok but we need an OF prospect, we say ok, you can have Cruz, but we'll need Nix and a A level pitching prospect.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 28, 2006 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One trade analysis
I don't think Doub Melvin wrote this:
The Brewers will receive Kevin Mench, Francisco Cordero and Laynce Nix from the Rangers for Lee, Nelson Cruz and a player to be named later. The assumption had been that Lee would be flipped for young players, but instead the key players coming back to Milwaukee are the 28-year-old Mench and 31-year-old Cordero.

This strikes me as an odd and somewhat disappointing package for the Brewers to end up with given all the exciting rumors swirling around for the past month...

[snip]

The flip side is that Mench has been much better at home than on the road during his Rangers career, hitting .284 with an .855 OPS in Texas and just .263 with a .769 OPS everywhere else. He's certainly a worthwhile NL-only pickup who figures to put up good numbers going forward, but his stock definitely takes a dip.

Not to be overlooked is Cordero, who just a year ago was amongst the best fantasy closers around. He's struggled too often this season and lost his job to Akinori Otsuka months ago, but could get a chance to replace the recently demoted Derrick Turnbow as the Brewers' new closer.

Cordero's strikeout rate remains excellent despite an ugly ERA, and moving from Texas should help suppress his tendency to serve up untimely homers. He saved 47 games in 2004 and 39 games last season, and Turnbow has been a big enough mess of late that Milwaukee could be ready for a long-term change.

Cruz is perhaps the most surprising part of this deal, as he's the best of the two young players changing teams, yet is leaving the Brewers. He's a little too old to be a big-time prospect, but he's put up great numbers in the minors for several years running, including hitting .302 with 19 homers, 72 RBIs and 17 steals in 103 games at Triple-A this season.

It's unclear where Cruz fits into the Rangers' always-crowded outfield long term, but he profiles as a solid everyday player who has the power potential to have a ton of success in Texas. I expected the Brewers to give Cruz a chance to replace Lee in their outfield, so including him in the deal with Lee is a bit of a shocker.

Last but not least is Nix, who at this point looks like a bust. The 25-year-old Nix is too young to give up on, but he's dealt with a number of injuries, fell out of favor in Texas, has made no improvements in regard to his complete inability to control the strike zone and is hitting just .263 with a measly .743 OPS in 76 games at Triple-A.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 1:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What to do with Caballo's Corner?
Prince's Palace
Weeks Wing
Hall's Hangout
Is it always who plays Left, or where they hit their Homeruns?

by familyguy on Jul 28, 2006 3:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

though I guess
that's not the format you're looking for.  

Could just become Corey's Corner.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 28, 2006 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Laynce's Loge
Assuming he plays LF.

Or Hart's Haberdashery.

Nate

by nmc on Jul 28, 2006 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another trade analysis
Second verse, same as the first, just a little bit worse (if you're a Brewers fan):
On Milwaukee's side, Mench will probably hit fifth and start every day in left field. It'll be interesting to see how well he plays without Buck Showalter jerking him around every other day; it's no secret that the huge-skulled Mench was not King Buck's favorite guy. As one of fantasy's most disappointing players (he hit 26 and 25 homers each of the last two years), Mench is nevertheless definitely worth a waiver play in NL-only leagues. Mench is arbitration-eligible through 2007, but there's a chance he'll be dealt again this offseason. Despite the fact that he's "only" making $2.8 million this year, he's now standing squarely in the way of some good Milwaukee outfield prospects, namely Gabe Gross and Corey Hart (who does, in fact, wear his sunglasses at night). And then there's Cordero, who during spring training was considered one of the safest (and best) closers in baseball, and whose cataclysmic fall from stud to shaky middle reliever is nothing shy of shocking. With the Brewers, who've just demoted Derrick Turnbow, Cordero will no doubt get a chance to close once more, which makes him worth a lot. But that presumes Cordero will find his old form in Miller Park, which is certainly questionable. And, once again, this acquisition puts Cordero in the way of the younger, cheaper and potentially better Turnbow. Plus, the Brewers will have to pay $6 million to exercise Cordero's option for 2007 or set him free.

So there you have it. For fantasy '06, all three of these guys are extremely relevant, but each may turn out to be something of a rental. Frankly, I'm surprised: It seems to me that the Brewers already have decent prospects (or major-league talent) in the outfield and bullpen, and it would've behooved them to try to fill other slots (notably starting pitching). But I suppose this deal is one of those 'tweeners for the fans: they needed to get rid of Lee, who wasn't going to sign with them, but they didn't want to wave the white flag. If next April comes, though, and Milwaukee has nothing to show for having dealt their mega-star, history will treat this deal unkindly.

Wait, what was that?

If next April comes, though, and Milwaukee has nothing to show for having dealt their mega-star, history will treat this deal unkindly.

Darn tootin.'  Doug, you better have other plans at the ready.  GMs get fired for squandering opportunities like this.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 3:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What Melvin was thinking
Per the Journal Sentinel, once again:
Melvin said he received offers from other clubs, such as the Los Angeles Angels and Detroit Tigers, but was only offered minor-league prospects in return.

"This was the best deal we could make," said Melvin. "It gives us the chance to continue to run a good big-league lineup out there. If we had done any of the other deals, you'd think we were giving up on this season."

The deal was somewhat surprising in that not only did the Brewers trade Lee but also Cruz, their top outfield prospect in the minor leagues. Cruz was batting .302 with 20 home runs and 73 RBI at Class AAA Nashville, and was considered by many to be the logical successor to Lee if he were traded.

"Giving up Nelson Cruz was tough," said Melvin. "But we had to balance the deal off at the other end to get Mench."

Mench, 28, who has been the Rangers' starting rightfielder, was batting .284 with 12 homers and 50 runs batted in, in 87 games. Manager Ned Yost said Mench will replace Lee in left field on at least a semi-regular basis.

Nix, 25, began the season as Texas' centerfielder but was sent down after batting only .094 (3 for 32) in nine games. At Class AAA Oklahoma, he was hitting .263 with 10 homers and 53 RBI.

Francisco Cordero, 31, established himself as one of the top closers in the majors in 2004 and 2005, when he saved 49 and 37 games, respectively. He got off to a bad start this season, however, and the Rangers switched to Akinori Otsuka as their closer.

Cordero blew 9 of 15 save opportunities before being moved into a setup role. In 49 appearances, he was 7-4 with a 4.81 ERA.

The Brewers have experienced problems in their bullpen recently, with closer Derrick Turnbow losing that role after four consecutive blown saves. Melvin said Thursday he was pursuing relief help on the trade market.

Yost said he would look at both Turnbow and Cordero in determining who would close games for the rest of the season.

"Production will decide who closes games," said Yost. "We still believe in Derrick Turnbow. He's had a couple of rough weeks but he's had a pretty solid year and a half for us."

Julian Cordero, who is not related to Francisco Cordero, was pitching at Class A Clinton and was 2-5 with a 2.91 ERA in 27 games (five starts).

I changed my mind.  I hate this deal again.  Melvin is still playing for this year, and seems to think that throwing Mench out there for two months will make a difference over starting Hart.  

"You'd think we were giving up the season."  You freakin' putz.  You know the easiest way for a low-payroll team to NOT succeed?  Half-ass the rebuilding effort.  You traded out best bargaining chip for a bunch of Jeffrey Hammondses, and you wasted our best prospect with it.

"We had to balance the deal off at the other end to get Mench."  NO YOU DIDN'T, YOU MORON.  What's the difference between Mench and Hart?  Or Mench and Cruz?  Is it really THAT much?  No, it's not.  (Don't tell Jacob.)

Listen, Moustache, when the sporting world is telling you "hmm, this is an odd move by the Brewers with little upside and the chance for disaster," you screwed up.  YOU SCREWED UP!  You could have taken the minor leaguers and moved on, like a smart GM would have, but you didn't.  The only ways to save this are (1) keep trading as if your job depended on it (moron), or (2) break Nelson Cruz's leg, halting the trade with the Rangers.  It's desperate, but this trade is so moronic, it requires desperate action.

Idiot.  I hate this stupid team.  Chorizo, you're with me: let's find a different team to root for.    Maybe the Padres or Marlins.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 3:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I had convinced myself I liked the deal
until the comment about being able to get prospects from the Angels and Tigers, two teams with STACKED systems.

I wish I had never read that article...and I'm assuming Reuben Quevedo is under the chorizo costume.

by thekranz on Jul 28, 2006 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least we know how you feel :)
Half-ass the rebuilding effort.

That's a really good point.  I meant to write an article a while back about the Marlins this year...maybe I still will.  They have a bunch of guys along the lines of Hart/Cruz/Eveland/etc., with a couple of stars, and they're playing as well as we are.  They DIDN'T half-ass the rebuilding effort: they just about traded every last vet they had for AA/AAA+ prospects, and look!  Those guys can play in the major leagues!

Now, if the Brewers tank this series, and Coco and Mench get flipped...maybe then it'll look better.  But Mench really does seem like a waste of trade value.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 28, 2006 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa there
Just because Melvin made a comment about "not giving up this year" to the press, don't necessarily take that as a factual representation of his thought process behind this deal. I don't see why reading that article should change anyone's opinion about the trade. It's a general manager's job to maintain good PR, and he did that with those quotes. He could have made this trade with entirely different motivations than what he told the press. Considering how a lot of people around here were up in arms over how the Brewers have disclosed injuries this year, one would think articles like these would be approached with a healthier dose of skepticism.

Also, Nelson Cruz is far from the Brewers best prospect. Braun and Gallardo are miles ahead of Cruz.

I'm not saying this is a good trade. It's certainly not horrible, though. If the Brewers sweep the Reds this weekend (certainly possible) we'll all be talking about how happy we are that the Brewers can still win and don't have to worry about losing Lee for nothing but draft picks (a highly combustible commodity). If they get swept, the Brewers still having pieces left to trade for prospects comparable to Cruz.

by BroadwayJoe22 on Jul 28, 2006 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair point
and if Braun is really destined to be a corner OF, Hart and Braun have those spots nailed down through 2010, at least.  Hence Cruz is redundant.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 28, 2006 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JDLR for Graffy
I would love for Moustache to prove me wrong, but I don't see any reason to think he has something else up his sleeve.  The JDLR trade looks like nothing else but "Let's win in 2006, fellows!"  Then he does this?

Plus, I think if you're looking for prospects, you'll get more by trading someone like Lee than by trading Lee for lesser players and then flipping THOSE.  (Exception: the lesser players will let you talk to multiple teams.)

All signs point to Sexson Trade Redux, as if he doesn't have faith in our young OF guys now.  (And maybe he doesn't.)  Or maybe Mark A. gave him a .500+ record or you're fired ultimatum.

I don't know --- maybe I'll be proved wrong, but I'm a Cruz believer.  I'm thrilled to have Braun and Gallardo, but there's something to be said for a prospect succeeding at the AAA level.  At this point, it's just a guessing game as to when Gallardo blows his arm out.

Anyway, I don't think you can assume he'll make more trades, if only because they might not pan out.  If he does this deal, it's at least with the acknowledgment that they might be our starters on Tuesday.  I think that's his plan.  Ugh.

And what's with Nix?  Is there ANYONE who thinks he has any upside?

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

jdlr/graff
I give him a pass on that one, b/c
a) we needed an IF, bad, and
b) JDLR was permanently doghoused.

What we can hope for is that both Coco and Mench have strong second halves.  Both will be cheap for '07, so they could be great trade bait.  At that point we might be able to get some young pitching, even if it doesn't happen by Monday.  

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 28, 2006 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess so
There are always the winter meetings.

Ugh.

Any thoughts about Nix?  Is he a flyer?  Cribbage partner for Krynzel?

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're dying for Nix info
All I remember is that he started off really hot a couple years ago, hit 2 HR in a couple games and then fell off the map.  Permanently.  He's like Krynzel only with more power and less average, i.e. a bad CF that we don't need.

by battlekow on Jul 28, 2006 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That convinces me
I have a theory.  

Doug and the Rangers were talking about the good times, you know, Juan Gonzalez, Justin Thompson, and for a brief moment, at the critical time, Doug thought he was still managing the Rangers.  This is a beautiful trade for them: they get Lee for a playoff push and Cruz for the future, plus they shed a fair amount of salary (and get the pick for Lee).  For us, it's hard to see an upside.  I think Moustache forgot whom he was working for.

So why include Nix, then?  What do we do with him?  Isn't Nix a tick remover?

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

flyer
he's gone downhill every year recently in the Texas org, apparently he's not got a great attitude, either, since he was called up too early and couldn't hack it.  Maybe the change of scenery will do him good...maybe he's nothin'.

A friend just joked that he's included just to take Cruz's roster spot.  There's probably a bit of truth to that.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 28, 2006 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is so not making me feel better
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

your friend might be right
and hey, who knows? Maybe a change of scenery will do him some good. Podsednik's stock was just as low or lower, and he ended up bringing Carlos Lee to town.

Isn't it funny how dramatically Podsednik's stock has dropped in Chicago, even though he's putting up better numbers than last year?

by BroadwayJoe22 on Jul 28, 2006 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but
Podsednik never would have gotten a chance to play if he was picked up when we had the outfielders we have now.  Nix is never going to get a shot.

by battlekow on Jul 28, 2006 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point
If he picks it up in AAA and shows signs of life as potential 4th outfielder, he could end up bringing back something of value in a trade. Nothing outrageous, but maybe a solid middle relief candidate. I'm sure he wasn't a critical part of the trade, but if the Brewer scouting department liked him and the Rangers were offering him, why not take him? I'm just saying it's a worth a shot to take a look at him.

by BroadwayJoe22 on Jul 28, 2006 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A problem
When your manager permanently doghouses a guy who is potentially the best reliever on your team at a time when no one in your bullpen is pitching well and essentially forces to exile the player to AA, the solution is not to trade the player.

I can certainly see why Melvin did it (traded JDLR), but Neddy Ballgame is not calling the shots, Dougy Canada is.

by battlekow on Jul 28, 2006 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JDLR
I'm willing to bet Melvin had been trying to trade him since his first rehab start. Who would give up any kind of prospect for a guy who has failed so miserably thus far in the majors? I know 95 innings pitched isn't a ton, but a career ERA over 6 with terrible peripherals? If he was a righty they probably would have had to DFA him. At least Graffanino gives you definite help for this year, while the fringe prospect JDLR may have netted them would most likely never advance past AA. I don't see the point in criticizing the JDLR trade. Melvin had no leverage and he had no place in Milwaukee. DM was lucky to even get a serviceable bench player for him.

by BroadwayJoe22 on Jul 28, 2006 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff
I like the giant spike in site visits today.  Good think SB Nation held up!
Nate

by nmc on Jul 28, 2006 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes
apparently there are new servers now.  This will be the first day both of my sites (this and http://www.minorleaguesplits.com) top 1k uniques.  I'm excited.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 28, 2006 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting
This guy suggests the Cubs offer Howry for Cruz.  The Rangers will need relief help (apparently they were looking even before dealing Coco).  It'd be crazy if both Nelson and Caballo ended up in Wrigley next year.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 28, 2006 3:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

opportunity cost
Cruz is a real wildcard because his great stats are all at an advanced age. He could be great, he could stink.  I'd guess that he's not going to be better than Mench for the Rangers.  Those two for each other is basically a wash, the Rangers know what they gave up in Mench for the small possibility that Cruz will be better.  The rest of the deal is basically .5 years of Carlos Lee for 1.5 years of Cordero and a minor leaguer.  I see the deal has being relatively equal player wise, but that's where the disappointment comes in.  It seems like there was a real opportunity to get some young players who could develop into stars.  Mench is a decent player, and Cordero is a good reliever, but we know neither one is going to suddenly take off and be a superstar.  I don't know what other teams were offering, but I would have rather gotten a Mench type and a couple of solid minor leaguers with potential.  

I don't hate the deal from a player standpoint or think the Brewers got ripped off, I just hope they don't always stick to the "have to get major league players" rule from now on.

by rhi on Jul 28, 2006 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

To me,
this deal just doesnt make any sense.  It's obvious that it is not a long term deal, which says to me that Melvin still thinks were in this race.  And if we are, why would we get rid of Carlos?  I know we got Cordero, but we coulda done some in-home fixin in the 'pen by DFA'ing Kolb and calling someone up (Villanueva?). If we donbt get two prospects, its a bad deal.  We didnt.  Hate this trade.  Hate it, hate it, hate it.
I'd like to apologize for my cynicism in advance.

by Stoa on Jul 28, 2006 4:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Optimism
I remember when they hired Neddy Ballgame, and he was chosen because of his optimism of winning with the team as it was (which, as we know, wasn't very good).  It's like Moustache has that same optimism, despite what reality is telling him.

The difference is, when you have nothing, you can be optimistic for the future, because you have nothing to lose.  You really can't get worse.  Unless Moustache has more trades up his sleeve, this trade is sacrificing improving our 2007+ teams for some wild hope at success in 2006.  Ridiculous.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jul 28, 2006 4:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the worst part about this
Is that it doesn't clear the way for Corey Hart to start playing everyday.  Now we've basically got two Geoff Jenkins instead of one, when those guys would be a perfect platoon.

All of my feelings of uncertainty (not pure pessimism) about this deal would turn immediately to overwhelming joy if Melvin could find a way to trade Jenks for a sack of moldy tangerines.  I'd be willing to kick in a third of his salary on the remainder of his deal even.

What's the lineup going to look like going forward?  Geoff Jenkins in the four hole?  Yost still thinks he's the best hitter on the team after Carlos, I think.  And that means he's now the best.

My guess:

Weeks
Graffanino
Hall
Fielder
Mench
Jenkins
Miller
Gross/Clark

Not exactly murderers row.

by Bill on Jul 28, 2006 5:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cirillo
I would imagine he'll start more often than Graffanino.

by BroadwayJoe22 on Jul 28, 2006 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting
I wonder if they'll think about moving Jenkins back to his longtime position of leftfield.  

by Bill on Jul 28, 2006 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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