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Projecting the Starters

Yesterday I looked at how the rotation projected for next season; today, I'm going to scope out the starting eight (or thereabouts):

Johnny Estrada:

Proj AB H 2B 3B HR BB K HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA 344 97 24 1 8 21 40 4 0 0 .282 .327 .425
ZiPS 401 111 27 0 8 22 49 7 0 0 .277 .323 .404
CHONE 392 109 24 1 9 22 46 7 0 0 .278 .328 .411

A lot of agreement here. Estrada looks like Damian Miller '05, which is fine production out of the catcher position. One thing worries me: his walks have declined from 39 in 462 ABs for Atlanta in '04 to 13 (!) in 414 for Arizona last year. As long as he stays closer to Damian Miller '05 than Pudge Rodriguez '05, it'll be okay, but keep your eye on that.

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Prince Fielder:

Proj AB H 2B 3B HR BB K HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA 501 146 32 2 28 59 98 8 7 3 .292 .373 .531
ZiPS 542 152 34 1 30 58 113 10 5 3 .280 .358 .513
CHONE 530 147 32 1 28 63 117 9 6 3 .277 .364 .501

All systems project growth for Prince; it's just a matter of how much. I don't think anyone's worried about him, for the next couple of years anyway.

Rickie Weeks:

Proj AB H 2B 3B HR BB K HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA 452 124 27 4 16 59 45 15 14 5 .275 .358 .457
ZiPS 485 127 23 6 16 59 48 14 20 4 .262 .343 .433
CHONE 404 111 24 5 13 48 97 17 17 5 .274 .375 .453

Again, some very nice growth, considering Rickie barely slugged over .400 last year and walked only 30 times in 359 ABs. Both rates improve significantly in each projection. What's keeping them down a bit is the regression of his HBP rate--he was hit, amazingly, 19 times in those 359 at-bats last year. All of the above projections have significantly toned down that rate; however, Rickie has consistently shown an Biggio-like ability to get nailed thus far in his career, so I wouldn't be surprised if he got hit 25+ times in a full season. Of course, getting hit 25 times may very well preclude him from playing a full season.

Tony Graffanino:

Proj AB H 2B 3B HR BB K HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA 322 89 19 2 6 32 49 3 6 3 .276 .345 .409
ZiPS 347 89 21 2 5 36 97 8 4 2 .256 .338 .372
CHONE 437 113 24 2 8 43 72 5 6 3 .258 .331 .374

Doesn't exactly scream "starting third baseman," does it? Hurry up, Ryan.

JJ Hardy:

Proj AB H 2B 3B HR BB K HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA 356 45 20 1 11 34 51 3 2 1 .263 .329 .419
ZiPS 286 71 18 1 7 33 37 1 0 0 .248 .326 .392
CHONE 224 58 13 1 7 25 32 1 1 1 .261 .337 .420

Not as bad as I'd expected. I'd take .260/.330/.410 from JJ any day of the week and twice on Retro Fridays. I'm optimistic on his power, for whatever completely unscientific reason.

Corey Hart:

Proj AB H 2B 3B HR BB K HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA 379 109 25 4 18 36 81 4 16 6 .288 .353 .517
ZiPS 463 122 29 6 17 46 99 4 19 11 .263 .333 .462
CHONE 357 97 20 3 12 33 79 1 17 7 .272 .336 .450

Holy PECOTA, Batman! ZiPS and CHONE have Corey staying the course, but PECOTA projects impressive growth. Were I betting man, I'd go with the former, but I'd be happy to be wrong.

Bill Hall:

Proj AB H 2B 3B HR BB K HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA 527 146 34 5 28 53 139 4 12 6 .278 .346 .522
ZiPS 512 137 37 4 24 52 145 1 11 6 .268 .334 .496
CHONE 533 141 33 4 26 52 142 2 12 9 .264 .331 .487

ZiPS and CHONE seem pretty low compared to what I expect Hall to do next year. I think he'll walk quite a bit more than in any of those projections; he's improved his walk rate every year and his line over the last two months of last year was .269/.383/.522 (courtesy of David Pinto's fabulous Day By Day Database).

Geoff Jenkins:

Proj AB H 2B 3B HR BB K HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA 363 97 20 2 14 38 87 6 3 1 .268 .345 .452
ZiPS 477 124 28 2 17 44 130 14 1 0 .260 .338 .434
CHONE 504 131 28 2 20 51 135 12 2 1 .260 .342 .442

Kevin Mench:

Proj AB H 2B 3B HR BB K HBP SB CS AVG OBP SLG
PECOTA 424 118 26 2 19 39 62 5 1 1 .279 .343 .486
ZiPS 474 129 28 3 19 36 92 7 1 1 .272 .330 .464
CHONE 469 121 26 2 17 38 67 5 2 1 .258 .321 .434

The Bench Brothers actually project fairly well, because, despite sucking last year, they both have relatively proven track records. The key question for both is: was last year a blip or a new level of performance? I have a lot more confidence in Mench bouncing back than Jenkins, for a couple reasons. Mench is only 29 and 126 ABs isn't much. I find it much more plausible that Jenkins, as he's aged, has lost some of his already-marginal ability to hit lefties. His continued success against righties actually contributes to his damning because it makes it less likely that his problems were injury-related.

Overall, pretty similar story to last year: moderate production with good upside. Graffanino is really the only sure bet to be below-average at his position. If Mench and Jenkins rebound and/or are utilized intelligently, they should provide good production. Estrada will hit well for a catcher. Health is paramount if Hardy and Weeks are going to contribute. Hall and Fielder will be the rocks, with Hart hopefully playing a strong third banana. Corey Koskie and Ryan Braun are the wildcards, but we'll look more at the bench tomorrow, with the bullpen and the dearly departed to follow.

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Why do I care
What Chone Figgins thinks of the Brewers?
Nate - I'm so rad!

by nmc on Jan 18, 2007 8:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oh please
I for one care very much what Chone Figgins has to say, and I know you do too.  His insights are both startling and invaluable, and to receive one is like receiving nectar from the gods.

The man is a baseball genius, and we both know it. Why, it was just a few weeks ago when the whole world was clamoring, "now bring us some Figgins pudding, now bring us some Figgins pudding, now bring us some Figgins pudding, and bring some right here!"  

And I'll tell you what, I won't go until I get some.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jan 18, 2007 9:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

amen my brother
well said and may figgins be with you.

by Michael M on Jan 18, 2007 11:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Lineup
I hate to say this, but I think the Brewers will be severely offensively challenged in 2007. The outfield shapes up to be brutal, J.J. Hardy is not panning out and I'm less than wowed by the 3rd base combinations.  Bill Hall is a guy who I think is in for a very disappointing season.  I'm just not sold on his hitting ability on an everyday basis.  The league seems to be figuring him out and I worry about his strikeouts and OBP in correlation to his run production value.  Ricky Weeks is a superstar in the making, IF he can stay healthy.  He's got future batting crown written all over him.  Prince Fielder is going to be a monster, but I worry about what happens to him in 2007 with little decent lineup protection.  

by cubbiebrewerfan on Jan 18, 2007 1:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Come on
Bill Hall is a guy who I think is in for a very disappointing season.  I'm just not sold on his hitting ability on an everyday basis.  The league seems to be figuring him out and I worry about his strikeouts and OBP in correlation to his run production value.

Did you even check Hall's numbers before saying this?

August:  93 AB .258/.381/.538 14 RBI 19 BB 28 K
September: 89 AB .292/.400/.528 13 RBI 16 BB 23 K
October: 0 AB, 0/0/0

So, was it in October that the league started to figure him out?

by Marty McSuperFly on Jan 18, 2007 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They can't be
more offensively challenged than they were last year.  With all the injuries and lack of standout years (outside of Hall, who appears to be on an upward trend) last season, the team will be much better in 2007.  

If any of them can stay healthy, the team will be in the middle of the pack ... at the very, very least.

Nate - I'm so rad!

by nmc on Jan 18, 2007 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bill Hall
He pretty much was an everyday player last year subbing in here and there for players before the injury plague. And then he put up the numbers he got last year while playing every day. How are you not sold on his hitting ability on an everday basis.

Also, as said before there is no way our offense will be worse becuase I highly doubt we will have 75% of our infield hurt. And if we have a superstar in Weeks and a monster in Fielder, a big bat in Hall, young bat in Hardy, improved bat at catcher, Hart who is coming of a solid season who will now get the starting nod and then plenty of other players to choose from I see our offense being in the top half of the NL for sure.

Every 3 years: 57, 82, 07

by Tim on Jan 18, 2007 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What would Chone Figgins say?
Chone would say something like this:
  • C: Miller to Estrada: big upgrade
  • 1B: Fielder 2006 to Fielder 2007: I think he might struggle a little, at times, but there's no reason to think he won't improve a little bit.  Moderate upgrade.
  • 2B: Weeks/Graffy to Weeks: upgrade, big time
  • 3B: Koskie/Bell to ???: moderate downgrade.  If it helps, we weren't particularly strong at third in the first place.  Really, no matter who we put at third, it's not going to be worse than David Bell.  What better time to bring in Ryan Braun, BTW?
  • SS: Hall to Hardy: moderate downgrade if you think Hardy is going to be an OK hitter, big downgrade if Hardy hits .240 and/or gets hurt.  Let's say the former.
  • LF: Carlos Lee/Mench to Mench/Jenkins/Gross: if Neddily Ballgame plays the left/right platoon, this might not be all that big a downgrade.  I don't really see him doing that, though.  Big to moderate downgrade.
  • CF: Brady Clark to Bill Hall: Massive upgrade.
  • RF: Geoff Jenkins to Corey Hart: moderate upgrade
Interestingly enough, the left side of the field is downgrading all at the same time, but the rest of the offense will likely improve, be it a little or a lot.

Maybe I'm being a little optimistic, but with the exception of left field, it seems like we have a young solid player at every position, and I think it's clear Moustache wanted the Giant Head to be that guy.  Maybe Mench doesn't work out, maybe Braun ultimately has to go to left, maybe we have another rash of injuries and have to rely on Craig Counsell for longer than anyone would like, but you know...we seem to be building quite the team here.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jan 18, 2007 2:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice.
Very good post. Agree with everything on the list.
Every 3 years: 57, 82, 07

by Tim on Jan 18, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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