2007 Post Mortem: Johnny Estrada
A few weeks ago, I think it was the Sporting News that had a quote from a scout saying that Estrada keeps getting fatter and slower.
Man, am I glad he's on our team.
TheJay has done a nice job chronicling the oddity that is our starting catcher: he has a historically high batting average for a guy who doesn't get on base 30% of the time, and he seems to be under the mistaken impression that you only get one strike.
Doug Melvin has made a couple comments lately that he recognizes catcher is an area for improvement, which is fortunate for us. It may not be for the right reasons: If Estrada had hit 300/315/415, he'd still suck, but he'd be a 300 hitter!!! and that would be good enough to make up for the fact that he hasn't thrown out a runner since the Carter administration.
In fairness to Johnny, he has never been very good at the things he wasn't good at in 2007. OBP? Career .320. Throwing out runners? Umm, yeah. Working the count? You must be thinking of Erik Estrada.
But, he was worse at all of these things in a Brewers uniform. He was 25th among catchers in all of baseball in VORP, right behind John Buck and just ahead of Kurt Suzuki. Suzuki had half as many at-bats, and Buck can field the position.
The typical objection to the "our catcher can't hit" criticism is that, well no catcher can hit. And this side of the Metrodome, that's pretty much true. But most catchers can throw, and a good fielding backstop can more than make up for his lack of batsmanship by throwing out runners.
For instance, if Damian Miller had gotten as many ABs as Estrada, he would've been worth about seven fewer runs with the bat. But, of course, there's a trade-off. Each caught stealing is worth about a half a run, so if Damian had thrown out 14 or 15 more runners than Estrada did--not a tall order, given what we're starting with--we're even.
But that leaves another question. Damian's old, and probably couldn't have played 120 games. Is there anybody out there who could've given us slightly above replacement production behind the plate? I don't know. Judging from his batting in Triple-A, Mike Rivera couldn't have. Maybe there was a waiver claim out there, but I don't know who it is. Catching is hard, and catchers who can do the job for most of a season are very rare.
Setting aside what has happened, let look at what will happen. Here are my projections for Estrada--again, the "Perc" column is percentile, so the middle, "50" row is the median projection:
Perc AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K AVG OBP SLG 20 173 12 44 7 0 3 15 7 20 0.254 0.294 0.347 50 376 33 103 21 0 7 42 16 43 0.274 0.308 0.386 80 409 40 117 25 0 8 52 19 47 0.286 0.324 0.406
Well, at least that OBP is likely to get back over .300. For those of you who are interested, my projection system starts drastically cutting playing time for guys who are well below replacement level at their position...that's why the 20th percentile projection gives him so few at-bats. Basically, if that's all the better he plays, the Brewers will be forced to find a stopgap.
But this is not pretty. You're basically looking at backup-catcher numbers in a guy who can't field like a backup catcher.
Here is a list of potential free agents this offseason. There's the good--Posada, maybe Ramon Castro--the bad--Jose Molina, Lo Duca, Torrealba, Ausmus--and the Cubs--Barrett and Kendall. I think it's unlikely Posada won't be in pinstripes next year, but I'd be very, very tempted to see if I could coax him to Milwaukee on a $20MM/2 year contract, or something like that. It's a lot of money, but it might be the only offensive position where we could make an acquisition and see an immediate, big improvement.
(Then again, Posada is old. My projection system doesn't like old catchers, and gives him a median line of 259/345/406. It would be better in the NL, but not by a lot.)
Otherwise, I think I'd like to part ways with Estrada, save the four million bucks or so we'd pay him in arbitration, and pick up a top-tier backup to split time with Damian. If we're going to have an easy-out number seven hitter every day, might as well get good defense out of the guy. Here are my projections for some of the free agents:
- Jose Molina: 236/274/315
- Torrealba: 255/311/395
- Castro: 240/310/392
Most likely, though, if the Brewers are going to improve at catcher, it'll take a trade. The cupboard is bare: Posada will probably go back to the Yankees, Castro will return to the Mets, somebody will overpay for Lo Duca, and that'll mean even a guy like Torrealba will get too much money from somebody desperate.
Good luck, Doug. You'll need it.
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Catchers
Consider the following
Season-Player-OPS
2006 Miller .712
2005 Miller .753
2004 Moeller .568
2003 Perez .724
2002 Bako .624
2001 Blanco .634
2000 Blanco .712
1999 Nilsson .954
1998 Matheny .612
1997 Matheny .632
1996 Matheny .585
Estrada's .699 OPS this season is about right in the middle of the production the Brewers have gotten the last 10 years. And other than Nilsson, and Miller to some extent, that whole list is comprised of good field/poor hitting catchers.
by Infield Fly Rule on Oct 10, 2007 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A better Estrada
The question would remain - was 2007 just a bad year or has he always been prone to such a beating? If this is common, then it will just get worse; if not, 2008 will be a better year - maybe he will exceed his lifetime stats.
If we want an offensive catcher - and I do - I say keep Estrada. But don't forget a back=up. Miller still has a couple more back-up seasons in him. Let's get him resigned.
by richars freimark on Oct 10, 2007 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AAA Options
Player-Team-BA-OBP-SLG-Age
Jose Morales, MIN .311, .366, .399, 24
JR House, BAL .298, .365, .463, 28
Jason Jaramillo, PHI .271, .350, .361, 25 (and he's from Racine)
Geovanny Sota, CHC .343, .424, .652, 24
Vinny Rottino, MIL .289, .363, .446, 27
Jeff Clement, SEA .275, .370, .497, 24
Jeremy Brown, OAK .276, .364, .469, 28
JD Closser, OAK .231, .343, .413, 27
Rob Johnson, SEA .268, .331, .372, 24
The first three played in the International League, the rest in the PCL.
by Infield Fly Rule on Oct 10, 2007 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
fwiw
by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 10, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about Johnson's arm
by TheJay on Oct 10, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
by Braunstalker on Oct 10, 2007 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you're probably right
by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 10, 2007 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barrett
I'd love to see Posada in Milwaukee, and have a hunch that he would beat Jeff's median line next year, but there's no way he'd sign a 2-year, $20mm deal. He's going to get more (more years, more money, or both) than that from someone, probably the Yankees.
by baumann on Oct 10, 2007 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Barrett - No Thank You
SB/CS - 14/72
PB - 12
ER - 6
OPS .653
Estrada
SB/CS - 11/72
PB - 5
ER - 6
OPS - .699
I am not keen on Estrada's "defense" and if anything Barrett's worse. Now if you are talking about signing him so he can beat up Carlos Zambrano when the Cubs come to town you may have something.
by Infield Fly Rule on Oct 10, 2007 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I crazy?
Career: .237 / .297 / .408
Hit 18hrs last season in 113 (most at Kaufmann Field) and can supposedly field (per Jeff). He turned 27 this season.
I guess since one of his comps is Yorvit, I'm obviously crazy.
by nmc on Oct 10, 2007 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
by baumann on Oct 10, 2007 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wheel and Deal
(hope not)
by nmc on Oct 10, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Palmisano?
by dthrog on Oct 10, 2007 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Carter Administration
One thing that I didn't see in your analysis Jeff, is whinyness. We all know that catchers (and umps) get hit by foulballs all the time. We all can imagine that it is quite painfull. Most catchers, however are able to shake most of these shots off quite quickly and without too much in the way of dramatics. Our own Estrada, on the other hand, grovelled in the dirt and/or had the trainers coming out just about every time he got dinged- at least it sure seemed that way.
Maybe someone smart can come up with a catcher toughness index and we should start our search there?
by sheeter on Oct 10, 2007 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
If Damian starts bitching and moaning, Ned himself will suit up! No whining then!
I'll bet Rottino doesn't do much whining. Any time he starts complaining, somebody says, "Dude, you weren't even drafted. We signed you as a FAVOR. Man up!"
by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 10, 2007 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's keep Mench as C
by stevie ray Braun on Oct 11, 2007 12:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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