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We Can't Win In Florida

The Brewers are supposed to be better this year, right?  New team, new payroll, new attitude?  All the off-field signs look good, but what happens?  Jenkins hits home runs and the rest of the team doesn't produce.  We had that five years ago.

I'm trying not to read too much into an anemic offense seven games into the season.  But it's getting tougher to do that.  Prince is getting his knocks, almost always with the bases empty.  Bill Hall is looking eerily like the super-sub guy that Ned tried to make him before the injuries struck last year.  Our best hitters right now are Jenkins and Counsell, a couple of guys who (rightfully, I still think) are hardly cornerstones of this offense.

So, what's the problem?  Is this just a giant slump?  I don't really think Bill Hall isn't going to hit below the Mendoza Line, nor do I think that Geoff Jenkins is going to hit a home run every time he starts.  That's part of the frustrating of rooting for a team that gets off to a bad start.  But I do have a theory.  I think that all this talk about situational hitting, going the other way, moving the runner over--it's giving the batters too much to think about when they really ought to be simply hitting.

Here's the thing: the Brewers didn't give Prince or Rickie or JJ or anybody millions of dollars out of high school or college because they were smart, or savvy, or anything.  They got they money because they are seriously talented in ways that most of us can never dream of.  They can hit a baseball.  Can they hit a baseball to the right side on command?  Probably not.  Arizona does a nice job of increasing everybody's confidence, but by focusing on what our young hitters can't do--especially a swing-for-the-fences guy like Hall--the Brewers coaching staff is preventing them from doing what they can.

Maybe I'm way off base.  I've never been in a big league dugout, and I don't know how much coaching like that really affects a batter when they get to the plate.  But I do know that, so far, the magical two-strike approach, go-the-other-way crap isn't working, and it's not working in the exact same way it didn't work for Butch Wynegar, either.  And with guys like Jeff Suppan taking the mound two or three days out of every five (I definitely count Vargas in that category, maybe Bush as well), we need more than 3 runs a game.  

I hope that, after tomorrow's game, we'll be able to forget all about the 0-for-whatever with runners in scoring position, and Bill Hall's early-season slump.  After all, the team did score nine runs just yesterday.  But somehow, that seems like part of the problem, not a mitigating consideration: having Jenkins hot doesn't mean this is a good team; we're just lucky right now.

Let's stop the Florida win-streak-versus-Milwaukee at nine games, and give Rick Vanden Hurk (and his parents, all the way from Europe!) a crooked-number welcome to the big leagues.  We need one of those.  Hell, after tonight's game, I need one of those.

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Hart Burn
Hart / Weeks / Hardy / Fielder / Hall

They should play in every game.  Win or lose, scuffle or not, they should be out there, and the team will be much better later this season and beyond.  I don't know what Yost is trying to do, but it's frustrating knowing that all that talent is being wasted for giving the old guys who are beyond their peak playing time.  

With Menchkins and Crony in the lineup, I have little desire to watch this team.

by nmc on Apr 9, 2007 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree.
there has to be some consistency in the lineup.

(it would help if Billy and Prince could start hitting in the clutch)

I'm gonna watch the Diamondbacks telecast to have Daron cheer me up.

by engbjm06 on Apr 9, 2007 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder what Hall would be hitting
If he was playing third where he belongs instead of trying to learn a new position.

Yes he looks terrible right now in Center but damn last time I checked he is a career infielder

As for Hart what did he do make a pass at Neds wife or something

as someone else said in the game thread this was a lot easier when there was no hope at all.

by WSB Chris on Apr 9, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

On a lighter note
I just flipped to the Diamondbacks/Reds game, and it's the Reds announcers.  Once just said:

"There's no way [Doug] Davis can through 3 strikes before he throws 4 balls, so lets see how many Reds batters can figure that out."

by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 9, 2007 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Poor Hitting Approach
I haven't done any indepth research to confirm my belief - but after watching the games, my theory is that Brewers generally have a poor hitting approach.  How many times have you seen Brewers hitters (Weeks or Fielder especially) go hacking at a fastball that's at the letters or at a curve ball that almost hits their foot?  

And how many times do you see a professional hitting team like the Yankees do that?  I don't care how talented someone is.  If you swing at junk they are going to get you out.

The other problem the Brewers have is who does someone need to fear in this lineup?  Hall and  Fielder?  How does that compare with Pujols/Rolen, Soriano/Ramirez, Dunn/Griffey, Lee/Berkman, or maybe even Bay/LaRoche?  Through the blue and gold glasses most may say it's the the 3rd best in the divison, but looking at it through objective glasses it is probably the 5th or maybe even the 6th best in the division.

The Brewers don't have that one guy who will hit .300 avg .400 on base and hit 40 homers.  They need contributions from everyone to be effective. This team can win 85 games IMO, but need everyone contributing on offense and the pitching staff to be among the elite in the NL.

by dthrog on Apr 9, 2007 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I am not
even going to offer any of my brilliant insight since I have none. I agree with this post and the feeling of the post.

by iluvlamp on Apr 9, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

anemic
it isn't looking good on offense right now, but i'm still optimistic it will change for the better soon. once hall and fielder start hitting, fortunes will change for the better.

i also would add that the pitching hasn't exactly been stellar either.

by Griswald on Apr 10, 2007 6:20 AM CDT reply actions  

3-4's not so bad
Remember the old adage don't check the box score til June? Well that's a long time from now so I don't subscribe to that approach, but I do think its worth waiting until 16 games are played - then we have a nice clean 10% of the season to look at, three runs through the starting five.

D-throg - I am sadly forced, by my bad luck of living in Brooklyn, to see the Mets and Yankees play all the time. They swing at bad pitches too.

Tonight we'll knock Vanden Hurk back to De Pijp. Lekker.

by jax and rajah on Apr 10, 2007 6:39 AM CDT reply actions  

R-E-L-A-X
You sound like Cub fans.
1/23 of the season is gone.
There's a long way to go.
Bob Gibson threw 9 pitches: "two different fastballs, two sliders, a curve, a change-up, knockdown, brushback, and hit-batsman."

by tvnick5 on Apr 10, 2007 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

i was
thinking that too.

but some ugly trends are developing. the platoons, menchkins and counsellino are eating the rest of the team. and they are hitting. fielder, weeks, hall, and hart are off to slow starts, and the correct solution might be to allow the platoons to engulf the weaker sections of the team...

For a little while anyway. but we know yost's tendencies, and corey hart is never going to get firing on all cylinders with mench taking his ABs.

also, hall is having trouble in CF.

I think the problem is that Yost is not a winner. He's got his brand of baseball on the field, and he's happy with it. And we are going to lose 4-3 all day. Except for wade miller and opening day, we've scored 4,4,3,3,3

That's exactly what yost plays for, 3 or 4 runs. That's why last night with 1st and 2nd only one out and suppan up he sacrifices instead of going to the bullpen/bench and going for the big inning.

Short story. I had season tickets for the UW men's basketball run to the final four ('99-'00). Dick Bennet Ball. I went to probably only half the games because it was such an ugly brand of basketball. For those that don't remember it was a play for 50 points, hope you win style of offense. Keep the game close, play good defense, sit on the ball. It was such terrible basketball, that even though we were winning, i couldn't watch. It made me ill.

Yost is beginning to make me feel the same way. He's trying to play early 80s ball where 3 and 4 runs and a decent pitching performance gets you the win. But the game has passed him by, and his infatuation with gritty, battling, average ball players playing over their heads is not fun to watch.

I'd rather see the youngsters lose 5-0 than see graffanino, counsell, mench, and jenkins lose 5-3.

It was easy, when the season started, to say to myself it'll all be fine once Braun gets up here... Yost has shown, however, that it might not be true.

graffanino, counsell, mench and jenkins are all playing above their head... and we've lost 4 of the last 5. What happens when they come back to earth?

ugh! The uneasiness is warranted for sure, it'd be nice to R-E-L-A-X, but i just don't feel too good about the season so far.

Meh, we just need fielder and hall to come around, and weeks to start relying on his power instead of his speed and they'll be fine. And though the trends are disturbing, those three guys should each play 155+ games.

ok, end rant.

Let's Go Brewers!

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Apr 10, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is early
This is what a 85 win team does.  This is what we expected preseason right?  As Jeff pointed out everyone is healthy and if they mostly stay that way we are definitely going to at least contend for the division.  I will leave you with this, Brewer's hitters combined line: .263/.321/.471 opponents .243/.300/.413.  That is almost exactly 80 points in OPS.  Keep that up for the entire year and we will win plenty of games.

by dixieflatline on Apr 10, 2007 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't have a heart attack Jacob
Plenty more baseball to come.

by jax and rajah on Apr 10, 2007 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Not just this season
If it were just this season....maybe.  Since this is Ned's blueprint for every season, why should we pretend it's going to be any more effective than it has been in the past?

Pretty tough to blame Butch Wynegar or Davey Nelson this year, but I'm sure Sveum is being prepped to take the fall.

by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 10, 2007 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Although
I think the Brewers can win if the talented players get to actually play.  If Ned put out the team that Melvin has assembled, it would be harder for him to screw it up.  If he keeps trotting out the gritty veterans, then bad things will continue to happen.

by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 10, 2007 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're right
I know you're right, and with the "professional hitters" hitting the way they have been i suppose they deserve to play.

Lots more baseball. It's just we know our ceiling with these guys, and i think Yost is comfortable with that low ceiling in exchange for the consistency, even if it is consistent mediocrity.

Lots more baseball. Maybe, just maybe, in Yost's 5th year, and after sticking with his normal game plan for what, the 655th consecutive game, maybe tomorrow will be different, maybe tomorrow he'll say you know what, Corey's had a rough start but his ceiling this season is WAY higher than Jenkins or Mench, perhaps he should play today... Maybe he'll say, you know what today Dave Bush has been pitching pretty good, but the bullpen is not hideous, let's play for the big inning, and instead of having him intentionally create the second out, let's give Gross the AB...

Maybe. Lots more baseball to find out. I should relax. :)

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Apr 10, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

the real question
Hypothetically speaking, how bad do things have to get for Ned to get fired in season?

If they're 10 games under at the end of April, is that enough?  Does he get the whole season no matter what?  Is Memorial Day weekend the key point?

This is a big year for Melvin just as it is for Yost.  I can't see Doug letting Ned squander the whole year away without making a move.

by Bill @ Brew Crew Ball on Apr 10, 2007 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Attanasion
I heard an interview with Attanasio last week where this question came up, and he sad that it's about more than the record.  If the Brewers only win 70-something games, then that's just a part of the evaluation  process.

I initially thought that meant that Ned was getting a huge benefit of the doubt, but now I wonder if that isn't a little more pressure for Ned.  If the record isn't the only factor, then Melvin and Attanasio could come to the conclusions jacob outlined above, and fire him at any point in the season, if they come to believe he's the wrong guy.

My wife frequently reminds me that Ned is a likable guy, and a good face for the Brewers, so I assume that he will really have to screw up before he's fired.  I can dream, though.

by Marty McSuperFly on Apr 10, 2007 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sadly but truely
That was only the 2nd game tis season the Marlins bullpen has not given up a run.

also - FLA is 0-2 vs. Lefties and 5-0 vs. Righties

also - that is the 2nd least amount of runs FLA as scored (if you are looking for bright spots  LOL)

After going 5 games with out an unearned run the Brewers have given one up in the last two games and their unearned run ratio (which was about the league average last year) is ballooning.

Brewer bullpen is STILL outstanding!

by Grinder12000 on Apr 10, 2007 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Side Note
FLA bullpen has pitched 14 innings in the last 4 days - let's hope they get a LOT of work tonight!

by Grinder12000 on Apr 10, 2007 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

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