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Series Preview: Marlins (26-27) at Brewers (29-24)

Given the way the NL East gets reported in the news--it's the Mets, the Braves, and the scrubs--I thought the Marlins were playing worse baseball than they actually are.  They probably aren't contenders this year, but they are close to .500, and their run differential supports that.  They haven't gotten the miraculous young pitching surprises that they did last year, but they are a decent team.

Your matchups for the series are:

I saw a conversation on BrewerFan.net a few weeks ago comparing the current Brewers team with the assorted ex-Brewers scattered around the majors.  Someone noted that the ex-Brewers wouldn't stand a chance (which stands to reason, because we kept the few good players and ditched all the guys who helped us lose 90-100 games per year).  That's all the more clear when you think about the fact that in 2004, Obie got twenty starts for us.  Twenty!  We didn't have anybody better than Wes Obermueller to turn to for four months!  Now, he'd be about #9 on the depth chart, and thank heavens for that.  (Yes, I realize I'm tempting fate into giving us an Obie shutout.  I think it's worth the risk.)

One way in which the Marlins are not halfway decent is their defense: they're on a record-setting pace.  It's no secret that Miguel Cabrera is not a good third baseman.  That's one reason I was a bit bearish on his Hall of Fame chances a while back: he'll end up at a less demanding position very soon.  But that isn't to take away a thing from his (or Hanley Ramirez's) offensive capabilities.  Balancing out those defensive limitations are four starters with OBPs at .385 or higher.  

As Grinder points out, it gets easier from here.    The Marlins are actually better than most of the teams in the NL Central, but that doesn't mean we can't kick off June with a reminder to the rest of baseball that the Brewers are headed to the postseason.

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from fish stripes.
think i'm missing some kind of inside joke here?
Vargas's last three outings are nothing to be proud of, in which he went 0-1 with a 7.04 ERA.  Vargas is prone to giving up the long ball.  He is considered to be the ace of the staff by many.  The Marlins faced him in JRS earlier this season and he went 5 IP and allowed 2 runs.

One of those sentences is whacked.

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by jacob on May 31, 2007 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Well
They could have just ambushed 5000 non-baseball fans and asked "Is Vargas the ace of the Brewers staff?" repetitively until they said yes to make them go away. That could be considered many people.

by TheJay on May 31, 2007 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are there
5000 non-baseball fans who would know who Vargas was?  And if so, would they not have enough knowlege to be considered a baseball fan?
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by hyattff2003 on May 31, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

stripe fishing
yeah, i think it must be some sort of inside joke. from today's game thread...

Suppan, this being an odd number year, is expected to put forth a 3.57 ERA for the season, the way he always has since 2003.  But lately he has been a bit wild with the number of walks doubling in May over the April total.  I'm not sure that matters since the Marlins are the most aggressive swinging team I've seen this season.  But his HR total has more than doubled during that time frame, and that does.  He is considered to be the ace of the staff by many.

my emphasis.

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by jacob on Jun 1, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

although
a quick search suggests otherwise...

hm?

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by jacob on Jun 1, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considered the Ace?
WHAT???
Tony! Tony! Tony! Gwynn to the Rescue!

by CATALYST on May 31, 2007 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

hey, speculation
There is a big roster move coming up. where's all the speculation? the bullpen isn't going to last with 5 pitchers and a loogy. or is it?

Will Dessens take the mound for the brewers ever again (comes off DL on 6/3)?

Will the brewers bring add a 12th pitcher, who?

Who's going to be the positional player to give up the spot?

Ah, the suspense is killing me.

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by jacob on May 31, 2007 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I've got some wild speculation
I'm making all this up, so don't go looking for any news that may support it.
  1.  Dessens comes off the DL, DFA.
  2.  Bush goes on the DL with a previously undisclosed hip/calf/non-throwing-arm injury.  Something nebulous and hard to prove one way or another.
  3.  Gallardo comes up.
  4.  Spurling goes back down.
  5.  Capellan comes back up for the mop-up role.

by Marty McSuperFly on May 31, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way
No way Elmo gets DFA'd.  He should, of course, but that would be admitting a mistake.

I like the idea of DFAing him, sending Bush to the pen, and bringing up Gallardo.  I bet, though, that one or both of Rickie and Sheets will go on the DL.

In the meantime, we've always known that we had too many third basemen and too many outfielders, which really put a crimp into how many pitchers we could carry.  I don't know what the hold up is: Jenkins hasn't been reliable in years, and his trade value will never be higher.  Plus we already have his replacement in Gross.  Trading him at least clears up an outfield spot, and possibly a spot on the ML roster, depending on what you get for him.

As for Counsellino, they're both aging, light-hitting utility infielders.  I see no point in keeping both of them: they each have played all 4 infield positions in the past.  I think Counsell has a little more to offer, not to mention that he's a Wisconsin boy; then again, we traded Jorge De La Rosa (who had been doing well, at least until he gave up 14 earned runs in his past nine innings) to get Graffanino.  (If you need two utility infielders, you can call up Rottino.)

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on May 31, 2007 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Counsellino
If one of the two was to be traded, I have to think it'd be Graffanino because his contract is shorter in length plus if Counsell is traded, his team option for 2009 becomes a player option and I very much doubt he'd decline it so you'd get a guaranteed two-and-a-half years of funky batting.

As for Dessens, is it a problem to admit a mistake resulting from a desperation trade? Also, with the front office all "win now, win now, rah rah blah" I'm sure they'd be okay with DFA'ing him - who knows, someone might even claim him off waivers especially if he shows anything during the inevitable AAA "rehab."

by TheJay on Jun 1, 2007 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder
Not that Moustache would say that getting Dessens was a mistake while he's on the team, of course.

But I got the impression that Moustache was kind of peeved that people (like us) criticized aspects of the Mench acquisition, after getting nothing but praise for all of his other moves.  I wonder if there's ever pressure to never admit a mistake, or even acknowledge that a player you acquire isn't doing well.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jun 1, 2007 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

mench trade
did people criticize it?
here, for comparison:

Cruz, Nelson: 151 PA, 39K, 10BB, 3HR, .192/.242/.315

Cordero, Francisco: 22 IP, 13.09 K/9, 3.27 BB/9, 0.00 HR/9, 0.41 ERA, 1.38 FIP
Mench, Kevin: throw in.

I'm pretty sure no one is going to admit to criticizing the fleecing of Texas that happened last year.

I think you are right though, the GM can't go and say, "I messed up getting Dessens" while he's on the team. That's the equivalently of "you're fired, well not yet."

So no, you aren't going to see GMs admitting mistakes all that often. Also, unless you wrongfully expected more out of the guy really, its not a mistake.

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by jacob on Jun 1, 2007 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's funny
When I was writing that comment, I actually thought, "well, Jacob wasn't criticizing it."

But there were lots of people --- myself included --- who complained.  I was fine with the El Caballo/CoCo aspect of the trade.  It's the Cruz/Mench/Nix/lesser CoCo part that I wondered about, and still do.  

I guess I wouldn't call it a fleecing of Texas: they traded a year and a half of their deposed closer for half a year of Caballo.  So far, none of the other players in the trade contributed much to the major league teams, or are worth much in a trade now.  Caballo left Texas in the offseason, and unless we decided to break the bank, CoCo is probably going to leave after this year.  (No pressure to win now, Neddly.)

Still, the only way we lose in the deal is if Nelson Cruz becomes a star, and so far, the signs of that happening aren't encouraging.

"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jun 1, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

fleecing
the trade amounts to the best closer in the game for the worst regular outfielder in the game. :)
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by jacob on Jun 1, 2007 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah
Who knows, maybe Dessens will be DFA'ed and the press release will say something like he wanted a chance to be a starter again and that just wasn't going to happen with the Brewers so they let him test the market. That kind of puts the focus on Dessens for wanting to leave regardless of truth behind it.

by TheJay on Jun 1, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm
For that matter, let's just plant traces of steroids or HGH in his locker.  Paging Alex Sanchez!
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on Jun 1, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

hmm
an Obie shutout

As mentioned before, this was the first game I ever saw live. Heh.

I'm wishing the guy all the success in the world, but not tonight. :)

by Zeyes on May 31, 2007 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Vargas the Ace?
Their guy says that Vargas is considered by many to be the ace of the staff.

by grant76 on May 31, 2007 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

w00t!
I don't care why he's gotten religion, but let's hope Ned keeps sending Corey out there!

RF Corey Hart
SS J.J. Hardy
3B Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
C Johnny Estrada
LF Geoff Jenkins
CF Bill Hall
2B Craig Counsell
RHP Claudio Vargas

by Marty McSuperFly on May 31, 2007 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

weeks hurt?
i'm starting to worry about rickie...
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by jacob on May 31, 2007 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

we'll never know
Melvin and Yost treat all injury information as competitive advantage.

by Marty McSuperFly on May 31, 2007 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only
A four hit night will secure Corey through the weekend.  I see the way Yost glares at him when he's between the lines.

Actually ... whatever is up with Rickie must help Corey get into the lineup.  Speed is a vital part of the "gamer" state, not so much the "battler."

by nmc on May 31, 2007 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

$7 beers
very nice article at hardballtimes.com today jeff. i particularly like:

In other words, next time you shell out seven bucks for a beer, think of the children.

That's the kind of line you start with and write an article around.

I realize the article is more of introductory into the economics of pricing the baseball experience. But just in case you don't know it, and because it makes such an awesome follow up article regarding the secondary ticket market, tickets.com is a wholly owned subsidiary of MLB Advanced Media. How's that for at the very least potential for tapping into the secondary ticket market? Having an anti-trust exemption is a great way to start a business.

Also, in light of the recent article on Scott Boras, it's a good time to talk about the shroud of secrecy that MLB economics operate in, and the PR campaign against players and agents trying to get their share of this multi-billion dollar business.

I vote for a continued series on the economics of baseball. You have a clear and articulate grasp of the basic concepts, and baseball consumers could use more enlightened writing on the subject especially since the unfortunate passing of doug pappas.

Keep up the great work. :)

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by jacob on May 31, 2007 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks for the kind words
I was very proud of that line when I wrote it.  

Truth be told, I have zero interest in the economics of baseball, or the secretive way in which MLB operates.  I really only care about whether MLBAM is going to decide one day to send me a cease & desist letter about Minor League Splits.

I really only ended up writing that article because I was reading that book that used the movie theater example, and it made sense of something I had never really thought that much about before.  Fortunately there are some other guys, like Maury Brown, who write good stuff in this vein.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 31, 2007 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!
Another book!  Update the list!
"C'mon, boys, let's get 'em some RUNS!" --- Daron Sutton, pretty much every game of the 2005 season.

by roguejim on May 31, 2007 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Obermueller
I'm a Cubs fan, so I'll always feel indebted to Obermueller for beating Houston in this game in 2003. I was at Wrigley watching the Cubs sweep a doubleheader against Pittsburgh to clinch the Central, and never expected Wes to shut down the Astros and help us out. Of course I was not so ecstatic a few weeks later when Florida came to town, but hey, it's the Cubs.

by Aaron @ Brew Crew Ball on May 31, 2007 6:10 PM CDT reply actions  

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