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Step Away From the Ledge

I know, it's brutal to watch our favorite team lose 3 out of 4 to the lowly Reds, and worse to be sitting a mere 2 games up on the Cubs not so long after we had an 8.5 game lead.  But man, the tone around here has made it sound like we've just been eliminated from the race.

One of the many frustrating things about baseball, of course, is that even the best players aren't successful that often.  The best teams lose plenty of series and win only 60% of their games.  Playoff teams come up on the losing end 70 times in a season.  Some of those games make those playoff teams look dreadful.  The best sluggers strike out four times in a game some days, and the best closers occasionally blow saves.  

What particularly irks me is that when a good team starts losing, everyone comes out with their pet theory about why the team is suddenly bad.  I don't mean to pick on anybody in particular, but I've read that:

  • We're too young and inexperienced.
  • Our veterans aren't pulling their weight.
  • We don't make enough contact.
  • We don't play enough small ball.
  • We don't hit with runners in scoring position.
  • We can't get a clutch hit.
  • Our bullpen is falling apart.
  • Our starters don't go deep enough into games.
...the list goes on and on.  

I don't care to address those individually, because as criticisms of the team lately, they all have the same problem.

The Brewers team you see right now is the same Brewers team that gave us an 8.5 game lead on the Cubs five weeks ago..

Sure, we lost Sheets; yeah, we got a new set-up guy.  Whatever.  Plugging in Gallardo and continuing to get production from Braun cancels out most of the ill effects of losing Sheets.  Otherwise, the starting rotation, bullpen, and lineup is basically unchanged from that point.  

One of the effects of delving deeper into understanding baseball stats is that you realize that no one game, or one week, or even one month,  amounts to a hill of beans in evaluating talent.  Bad days--even bad months--are just that.  Geoff Jenkins is not going to hit .180 for the rest of the season.  Jeff Suppan isn't going to go the rest of the season without a quality start.  If you want to know how this team is going to perform down the stretch, I recommend looking at each player's PECOTA cards (or ZiPS, or whichever system you prefer) instead of their season stats to date, or worse, their results over the last two weeks.

If any of that list of criticisms above were actually true (and some of them may be), if they mean anything, they were equally true back when we were dominating the division.  Anything that "crops up" in a short period of time in baseball is noise.  It's worthless.  It's that simple.  If those complaints are right, somehow the Brewers have won 55% of their games despite those problems.  Unless you think the Crew has been the recipient of unprecedented luck thus far, they'll probably continue to perform at about the same level.

My point is this.  Before the season, it was clear the Brewers and the Cubs would be in the thick of things until close to the end.  It was also clear that neither team was much better than the other.  It shouldn't come as a surprise, then, that 100 games into the season, the two teams are two games apart.  It'll probably be close right to the end.  The fact that the Crew has lost 5 out of their last 7 doesn't tell you any more about this team than the 3 out of 5 they lost to kick off the season.  

The team that lost 5 out of 7 is the same damn team that has us in first place with the third best record in the league.  No, the team is not perfect, and there are plenty of things that will keep it from ever becoming perfect.  But the fact that those things have come up and bit us in the last few days doesn't mean that we won't continue to win games at a ~.550 clip, or that we can't continue to play better baseball than the Cubs.

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don't buy it
I don't buy the we're to young and inexperienced nonsense. Baseball is baseball. We don't need to make a deal. But i'm sure if we don't make it. Then everyone will say OH we should have made a deal for a veteran. If we make a deal for a veteran and don't make it. Then we'll hear the brewers mortgaged the future and it didn't work.

yes its a long season and one day or one week doesn't make a season. BUT it still doesn't lessen the fact that they looked horrible against the reds. There are games and series you should win, and being a no brainer. That was one of them. now its on to the cardinals.

Tim Bring back the chalet Brewing history in milwaukee. Miller park looks to stale like bad PBR Bring back old logo, not mitt!!!

by storminTAZZ on Jul 27, 2007 9:43 AM CDT   0 recs

Reds Series
The brewers lost 3 of 4 to the Reds.  However, if Johnny Estrada hits a fly ball in the first game, we have a good chance to win, and if Coco pins down the ninth, we win 3 of 4.  That would be a 4 game lead on the cubs, and the best record in the NL, but fans would still be disappointed.

All im saying is i like to complain about their situational hitting, but that comes and goes for all teams. The brewers will play well again.

The question for all brewers fans is this:

If the Brewers make the playoffs and lose the first series without winning a game and arent even close, are you happy about the season?

Ned for Prez!! Seriously, he needs a new job.

by Zel123 on Jul 27, 2007 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huh?
I for one would not have been disappointed with 3 out of 4 and a 4 game lead.  I'd be pleased.

The thing is, if we're supposed to be a .550 team playing a .450 team, then we're supposed to win 2 in a four game series, with a third game hanging in the balance.  We didn't get close to that.

After 24-10, I don't think anybody thought we'd be sitting here almost 3 months later without ever having surpassed that 14-games-over-.500 mark.  Its understandable that when it looked like we could have locked up the division early, people are frustrated that we never hit a higher gear.

by Bill on Jul 27, 2007 10:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Diamondbacks series
We took 3 of 4 from them, but fans were so concerned about the cubs winning, what felt like every game, that that series gets forgotten.  Then we lose 2 of 3 to SF and thats what everyone talks about.  Arizona is one of the hottest teams in baseball right now, that was a great series win, but we overlooked it.
Ned for Prez!! Seriously, he needs a new job.

by Zel123 on Jul 27, 2007 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Dbacks series
the dbacks started on a bad streak right there...we got them at the right time...now they are hot again.
I can't wait to see round 2 in person August 20 - 22.  the first time I get to see my brewers since I spring training

by Kocchatollah on Jul 28, 2007 3:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the problem
is, that as Joe Sheehan pointed out yesterday, we've been a .470 team for most of the season---highly mediocre.  Its looking increasingly like that early hot start was some ridiculous fluke (especially when you consider that Braun wasn't around and Hart didn't play much), so people are taking hard the realization that we just aren't as good as we thought.

As you mentioned, this is the same team that was 8.5 games up a few weeks ago.  In fact, our record is only a few games worse than it was then.  Whether we realize it or not, the reason for the evaporating lead and the panic is less some major downturn by the Brewers, who've been playing the same mediocre way since April, than it is a major, extended surge by the Cubs.  The lead has diminished so quickly because THEY'VE changed the way the played all season, while we've been in the same general muck.

The 24-10 start was a long, long time ago.  Its looking increasingly like we really are just a .500 (or even slightly worse) team that's going to have to win the division with something like 86 or 87 games.  The way the Cubs have been going, it just doesn't seem that's going to be enough anymore, and its sad.

by Bill on Jul 27, 2007 9:54 AM CDT   0 recs

where
where did sheehan say that? people can get paid for baseball analysis where they throw out a bunch of wins and say see, the team is only .470 when you don't include their wins.

maybe you misunderstood him cause that's the stupidest thing i've read today, and i read some cubs blogs this morning, too.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 10:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

one other thought
I think a major reason that people go negative, and in particular go negative towards Ned Yost, is because, rightly or wrongly, people want to see someone other than themselves vent the frustration of losing the division lead.  If Ned flipped his lid once in a while, called some players to task, etc., its questionable whether it would have any impact, positive or negative, on the Brewers.  But it might make some people feel better, as silly as that sounds.

by Bill on Jul 27, 2007 9:58 AM CDT   0 recs

What's with all the worry on the cubs?
The Cubs are not my concern for this team.  We (the Brewers) only have control over the outcome of three of their games for the remainder of the season.  We have no impact on how they play, so why be concerned about it?  
All Hail The Razor!!! Braun is The Savior!!!

by hyattff2003 on Jul 27, 2007 10:08 AM CDT   0 recs

I'll call 'em out.
I'll play bad cop to your good cop.

The comments in this thread are exactly what Jeff is talking about.

Bill, storminTAZZ, and Zel123 all pointed to smaller sample sizes in one way or another to suggest that this team is worse than they appear. That their true identity lies in this smaller sample.

If that's the way you want to follow the season, awesome, go for it. However, it's not a whole lot of fun to be around your "just medicore" -style doom & gloom.

Seriously, you sound like cub fans.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 10:13 AM CDT   0 recs

what?
So let me get this straight:

24-10 (34 games) -- the Brewers true identity.
32-36 (68 games) -- too small a sample.

by Bill on Jul 27, 2007 10:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no, that's not what he's saying.
either one is too small a sample.  Throwing out either one is irresponsible.  Put them together, you have all the information we have to go on for this team.  Why not use it?
Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 27, 2007 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so here's my question...
what is considered an acceptable sample size to judge how good or bad a team is?
YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Jul 27, 2007 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

all of it?
how about the whole sample?
Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

given what we've got...
yeah, the whole sample, of course.

But statistically speaking, probably more than we'll ever get.  If you really wanted to know how good a team was, you'd want a couple hundred games, ideally against fairly even competition without much (if any) roster churn.

It's ridiculous, I know, but it points up just how fruitless it is to measure team quality based on a small sample.  It's bad enough to use the 100 games we've got without throwing out a large number of those!

Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 27, 2007 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Another fun split
First 51 games: 28-23
Next 51 games: 28-23
Game 102: 1-0

Crazy but true.

Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 198 PA, 59 K, 56 TB, .200/.293/.320
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.

by TheJay on Jul 28, 2007 3:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Should be "Game 103: 1-0"
Oops.
Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 198 PA, 59 K, 56 TB, .200/.293/.320
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.

by TheJay on Jul 28, 2007 3:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What did I say?
Im suggesting that they were so close to winning 3 of 4 from the reds.  I also said that they would play well again.  Thanks for calling me out though.
Ned for Prez!! Seriously, he needs a new job.

by Zel123 on Jul 27, 2007 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nothing
you were included cause it was easier to make a sweeping generalization. i'm mostly having some fun. rock on zel.
Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

doom and gloom?
doom and gloom? ARe you crazy? I'm very happy about this whole season and the future. But you're telling me your ok losing 3 out of 4 to the reeling reds? I"ve cheered this team since tommy harper hit a homer in the bottom of the 9th to beat the white sox in 1970. Do you even know who tommy harper is?

If they finish over .500 i'm elated and looking toward next season. i've been waiting for this since '70. Sorry just don't see losing 3 of 4 from a far less team but then again i lost my rose colored glasses.

being 14 games over .500 at one point. All they have to do is play .500 the rest of the way.

Tim Bring back the chalet Brewing history in milwaukee. Miller park looks to stale like bad PBR Bring back old logo, not mitt!!!

by storminTAZZ on Jul 27, 2007 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

doom & gloom
your ok losing 3 out of 4 to the reeling reds

It's not the end of the world.

BUT it still doesn't lessen the fact that they looked horrible against the reds

They didn't look horrible against the reds. What is your definition of horrible?

I"ve cheered this team since tommy harper hit a homer in the bottom of the 9th to beat the white sox in 1970.

Good for you, i was rooting for them when they were still the Seattle Pilots. In fact, i was at a meeting in Mexico City in about 1967, i think, when i suggested to the Soriano brothers that if the team doesn't work out in Seattle Bud Selig will buy them in Milwaukee for certain. Man, that Dewey Soriano was quite a character. Used to wear his shoes backwards for kicks. He didn't have toes.

i've been waiting for this since '70.

Pass out in the early 80s then?

here are games and series you should win, and being a no brainer. That was one of them.

This is the clincher. The idea that there are games and series you "should" win. Yes the Brewers are better than the Reds, yes, they'll win more series against them than lose if they play a 1,000 series. But why "should" they win? It's this absurd expectation that you gloom & doomers use to point to as evidence that the team is not good. It's baseball. It happens, step back from the ledge.

Also, if you know which series the brewers should win, you also know which series the brewers should lose, right? Can you pick out the series that the brewers "should" lose?

stl, nym, phi, col, hou, stl, cin, ari, sf, chc, pit, hou, cin, pit, cin, hou, atl, stl, sd

I'm not trying to give any pointers on how to enjoy the season. I'm just agreeing with Jeff, let's not jump off the ledge.

also TAZZ, i can't make hide nor hair of your signature. Is it right?

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 11:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

jacob
well jacob thanks for your insight. when i'm up for the phillies series i'll certainly check out your name on the board of the milwaukee wisconsin baseball hall of fame.

thanks for helping to bring baseball to milwaukee

Tim Bring back the chalet Brewing history in milwaukee. Miller park looks to stale like bad PBR Bring back old logo, not mitt!!!

by storminTAZZ on Jul 30, 2007 7:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

also
if my "memory" serves me correct. I'm pretty sure that in 1970 Tommy Harper only hit 1 HR against the White Sox, and it was to lead off the bottom of the first.

I remember that night like it was yesterday. About 71 degrees, Venus was in the southern sky, you could clearly see it over the RF bleachers and the stadium felt full with energy of having our brand spanking new franchise even though there were only about 7,696 other fans there.

Remember the inside the park homerun he hit a few days later in Cleveland?

Good times.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well
i think what you're seeing is a product of a losing culture. for too many years the team has hit the dog days of july and august and completely tanked. we don't know anything different than finding ways to lose. this past series against the reds was classic milwaukee -- with two games decided in extra innings, it could have easily been 3-1 instead of 1-3 but the crew just blew it in typical crew fashion.  

does that mean that this swoon will continue? of course not. i've said all year that this is a different team, and there's still plenty of time to regroup and play .550 or .600 baseball. but it's tough for any brewers fan to not get that sinking feeling in their stomach that says, "here we go again."

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Jul 27, 2007 10:13 AM CDT   0 recs

JJ, t-bow, coco
The brewers started 24-10 without Braun and Yo. How did this happen? Simple answer, JJ hardy seemed to have a clutch hit/hr every win and t-bow and Coco were literally flawless.  What im saying is all we need is one guy to get hot and the bullpen to hold down leads.  Braun has been hot but the bullpen really hasnt.  Between Villy, Wise, T-bow, and Coco, it seems like three of four will pitch well but the fourth will blow it.

Im counting on Prince to carry us, like Ryan howard last year.  Prince, even throughout the minors, gets hot and cold.  Its time for him to get hot, and i predict he has forty five homers heading into September.  Its a tall task, but with him hot, and the bullpen revved up.  The brewers will have a good size lead going into September.

Ned for Prez!! Seriously, he needs a new job.

by Zel123 on Jul 27, 2007 10:15 AM CDT   0 recs

No need to panic.
The brewers will be fine.

Aside from the opening streak, the Brewers had another lengthy winning streak in the first half.  Another streak should begin in about 2 weeks ;-)

My only question is how a team can be great at home and so terrible on the road?

by grant76 on Jul 27, 2007 10:19 AM CDT   0 recs

cordero
particularly Cordero.  His road ERA is atorcious.  I'm sure it has to be psychological, but is there anything the brewers can do about it?

by SunglassesAtNight on Jul 27, 2007 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

someone needs to run the numbers
and find out who has the bad home/road splits.

by grant76 on Jul 27, 2007 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

splits
i don't have time to run them on everyone right now (I'm suppose to be working), but I know in the case of cordero they're unbelievable.  He's unstoppable at home (in the neighborhood of a 0.5 ERA or lower) and sports a 7+ ERA on the road after yesterday (i believe it was something like 6.59 going into yesterday's game).  It reminds me of what the bears are going through with Good Rex/Evil Rex, only more predictable.

by SunglassesAtNight on Jul 27, 2007 11:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It is dramatic
But I'd hesitate to read too much into it.  He's melted down four times on the road...not good, and much worse than at home, but it's still only four games.

Also, his K rate is still solid away from home, and his walk rate is much better.  

Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 27, 2007 11:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

still, though
when a lights-out closer has 4 meltdowns, all on the road, it says something.  also, his walk rate is down because instead of giving up walks, he's giving up hits.

by SunglassesAtNight on Jul 27, 2007 1:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

says something?
when a lights-out closer has 4 meltdowns, all on the road, it says something.

if a lights-out closer has 2 meltdowns at home and 2 on the road, does that say something as well?

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Every Great Closer has Meltdowns
So who cares where it happens. As long as Coco doesnt pull a turnbow, then i can take an occasional blown save.
Ned for Prez!! Seriously, he needs a new job.

by Zel123 on Jul 27, 2007 2:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So what you're saying is
our veterans aren't pulling their weight.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 27, 2007 11:18 AM CDT   0 recs

especially linebrink
we trade for him, and he hasn't done sh*t!
Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 27, 2007 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that bastard
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 27, 2007 12:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

HA!
billy spiers.

by Jamie in LA on Jul 27, 2007 1:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Its the pitchers. I think.
The hitters have a slightly higher AVG, and little higher SLG.  There OPS is .802 at home and .751 on the road.  That may be because Miller Park is a bit of a hitters park.

Which means the pitchers should be a bit better on the road.

Suppan  4.23 ERA(H) 5.80 ERA(R)
Bush    4.30 ERA(H) 5.66 ERA(R)
Sheets  2.64 ERA(H) 4.28 ERA(R)
Capuano 4.13 ERA(H) 5.36 ERA(R)
Vargas  4.47 ERA(H) 4.46 ERA(R)
Yovani  1.50 ERA(H) 3.12 ERA(R)

Cordero 0.33 ERA(H) 7.20 ERA(R)
Turnbow 3.28 ERA(H) 4.05 ERA(R)
Carlos  4.78 ERA(H) 2.68 ERA(R)
Shouse  1.38 ERA(H) 2.87 ERA(R)
Wise    2.98 ERA(H) 3.13 ERA(R)

Villanueave is the only guy that pitches better on the road.  Vargas and Wise are about equal.  Every other pitcher is markedly worse on the road.  Why is that?

by grant76 on Jul 27, 2007 11:26 AM CDT   0 recs

Interesting
I just read a book about the 1951 season, when Bobby Thomson hit his home run, perhaps aided by stolen signs.  I kept meaning to jokingly hint that the Brewers are so successful at home because we're stealing signs at Miller Park.  Maybe Bernie is sitting in the chalet with binocs.

Seriously, though, thanks for checking that out.  That's a bit surprising.

My insta-theory is that the Brewers are very good at acquiring pitchers who are well-suited to Miller Park.  Or Estrada knows better how to call a game at home.  But that's a pretty weak theory, and it's easy to poke holes in.  It might be random.  Or maybe every other team is stealing signs at home :).

Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 27, 2007 11:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

stealing signs
if it's the pitchers though, it means everyone else is cheating and we are not...
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by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 11:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

uh yeah
what you said.

(read the whole post jacob, read the whole post!)

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 11:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What book?
I finished The Echoing Green not too long ago. I found it pretty enjoyable.
Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 198 PA, 59 K, 56 TB, .200/.293/.320
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.

by TheJay on Jul 27, 2007 12:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep, that's the book
I couldn't think of the name earlier.  Yeah, I enjoyed it, though I think I would've liked it more in 250 pages rather than 400.
Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 27, 2007 2:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You should
put up a list of what you've read, so everyone can follow along.  :)

Also, you should put up the Brewers' magic number. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 27, 2007 12:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of demands
We need an address book icon.

And a pony.

And a Super Bowl ad.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 27, 2007 12:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Unless...
You can make an argument that we're not the same team that had the 8 1/2 game lead on the Cubs.

We were cruising pretty well until the end of June, when we lost 2 of 3 in Chicago.  Since then, there's been a lot of added pressure about losing ground to the Cubs, and much has been discussed here about the media adding to it, pretty much calling the Cubs taking the division inevitable.

Is this a legitimate concern --- that we're succumbing to the pressure of a pennant chase in July?  It sounds ridiculous, and I haven't the foggiest idea if the players even consider stuff like that now.

In terms of talent, it's true, we're really not that different from where we were in June (give or take a healthy Hall and Weeks's wrists).  The most likely answer is Jeff's, that each season has its ups and downs, so deal with it.

If you really want something to chew on, the only thing I can come up with is we're putting pressure on ourselves to win every game and keep pace with the Cubs' torrid play.  No facts to justify the theory, just a thought.

Well, maybe there's another thought. When we raced to our 24-10 start, we were geting some pretty ridiculous numbers from (IIRC) the likes of Jenkins, Hardy, Turnbow, and CoCo.  But the opposition makes adjustments, players perform more in line with expectations, etc., and we've been playing .500 ball.  Maybe the thinking should be that we're a .500 team who had a fast start, and if that means an 86-win season, then so be it.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 27, 2007 12:31 PM CDT   0 recs

Contact Hitter
Here's some pure contact guys (i.e., are the NL leaders in the least percentage of swings that missed):

Juan Pierre, Aaron Miles, Jack Wilson.

That's only in the top six!

Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 198 PA, 59 K, 56 TB, .200/.293/.320
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.

by TheJay on Jul 27, 2007 12:32 PM CDT   0 recs

If this is more your flavor
NL Leaders in % Swings Put Into Play:

Pierre and Miles show up here, too! So does a certain Milwaukee shortstop. Hmm.

Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 198 PA, 59 K, 56 TB, .200/.293/.320
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.

by TheJay on Jul 27, 2007 12:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Royce Clayton?
Jose Hernandez?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 27, 2007 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Luis Lopez?
Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 198 PA, 59 K, 56 TB, .200/.293/.320
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.

by TheJay on Jul 27, 2007 12:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My pet theory on the team's struggles
For most of the season, Gabe Gross carried out multiple satanic rituals before, during, and after games. The walk-up music he has was just a cover, so he could get his blood boiling to enable maximum aggression during his at bat. Now that he's been shipped out, the Lord of Darkness (no, not Tom Haudricourt) is displeased and taking his revenge.
Joe Borchard 2007 watch: 198 PA, 59 K, 56 TB, .200/.293/.320
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.

by TheJay on Jul 27, 2007 12:43 PM CDT   0 recs

You play his walk up music backwards
and you can clearly hear "all hail the dark lord."  Seriously, try it.  
All Hail The Razor!!! Braun is The Savior!!!

by hyattff2003 on Jul 27, 2007 1:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Enjoy the Ride
Sit back and enjoy this season. There will always be random fluctuations in every season good or bad.   Here's a chance to reflect on times past, when things weren't so rosy...

http://www2.jsonline.com/sports/brew/aug99/garner081199.asp

Missin' Bob Betts- Best Public Address Announcer Ever!

by Hot dog and Diet Coke on Jul 27, 2007 1:29 PM CDT   0 recs

Exactly
Days can always get darker:

http://www2.jsonline.com/sports/brew/apr02/36371.asp

All Hail The Razor!!! Braun is The Savior!!!

by hyattff2003 on Jul 27, 2007 1:52 PM CDT   0 recs

go brewers
even if the brewers lose out for july, they'll still have exceed my predictions for this month.

:)

i love this team.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 2:00 PM CDT   0 recs

This is why they play 162 games
Baseball is SUCH a long run game that you can not judge a team until the season is over.

I said it yesterday (and got flamed). Brewers vs. Cubs, we all knew it would come down to these two teams.

Enjoy the pennant run.  Even if the Brewers end up 2nd, it's a hell of a lot better then turning the Brewers of at the All-Star break isn't it?

Improvement is all I look for.

Face-it, the Brewers are NOT a World Series caliber team . . . . yet!  But as long as they move forward I'm happy.  Of course happier with finishing 1st but a hell of a lot happier then last year!

by Grinder12000 on Jul 27, 2007 2:14 PM CDT   0 recs

this thread
was missing marty mcsuperfly. whatever happened to that dude?
YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Jul 27, 2007 5:07 PM CDT   0 recs

i was wondering the same thing...
although he keeps busy here: www.firenedyost.com
Brewers in 07!

by Michael M on Jul 27, 2007 7:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm all for a reality check
And I appreciate the nudge back towards the positive outlook.  Obviously I'll take what's going on this year over what's gone on for the last 15 or so years, and if you would have told me the Brewers would have a 2 game lead in their division on July 27th back in March I probably would cheered.

But there's been an opportunity lost here for this squad to be in a better position than it currently is.  And we've all have seen how the lead has diminished over the last few weeks.  I don't doubt this is the same team that opened as strongly as it did.  It's just easier to see the flaws that always existed now that we're scuffling a bit.  I love this team.  I don't love the snarky "what is this, a Cubs site?" responses every time someone posts a comment that's remotely pessimistic about the way things are going.  You can love this team and still be willing to acknowledge the obvious flaws or express frustration at repeatedly lost opportunities.

If that makes me a "gloom and doom" guys, then so be it. I never liked Kool-Aid all that much anyway.

:)

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 27, 2007 7:22 PM CDT   0 recs

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