Step Away From the Ledge
I know, it's brutal to watch our favorite team lose 3 out of 4 to the lowly Reds, and worse to be sitting a mere 2 games up on the Cubs not so long after we had an 8.5 game lead. But man, the tone around here has made it sound like we've just been eliminated from the race.
One of the many frustrating things about baseball, of course, is that even the best players aren't successful that often. The best teams lose plenty of series and win only 60% of their games. Playoff teams come up on the losing end 70 times in a season. Some of those games make those playoff teams look dreadful. The best sluggers strike out four times in a game some days, and the best closers occasionally blow saves.
What particularly irks me is that when a good team starts losing, everyone comes out with their pet theory about why the team is suddenly bad. I don't mean to pick on anybody in particular, but I've read that:
- We're too young and inexperienced.
- Our veterans aren't pulling their weight.
- We don't make enough contact.
- We don't play enough small ball.
- We don't hit with runners in scoring position.
- We can't get a clutch hit.
- Our bullpen is falling apart.
- Our starters don't go deep enough into games.
I don't care to address those individually, because as criticisms of the team lately, they all have the same problem.
The Brewers team you see right now is the same Brewers team that gave us an 8.5 game lead on the Cubs five weeks ago..
Sure, we lost Sheets; yeah, we got a new set-up guy. Whatever. Plugging in Gallardo and continuing to get production from Braun cancels out most of the ill effects of losing Sheets. Otherwise, the starting rotation, bullpen, and lineup is basically unchanged from that point.
One of the effects of delving deeper into understanding baseball stats is that you realize that no one game, or one week, or even one month, amounts to a hill of beans in evaluating talent. Bad days--even bad months--are just that. Geoff Jenkins is not going to hit .180 for the rest of the season. Jeff Suppan isn't going to go the rest of the season without a quality start. If you want to know how this team is going to perform down the stretch, I recommend looking at each player's PECOTA cards (or ZiPS, or whichever system you prefer) instead of their season stats to date, or worse, their results over the last two weeks.
If any of that list of criticisms above were actually true (and some of them may be), if they mean anything, they were equally true back when we were dominating the division. Anything that "crops up" in a short period of time in baseball is noise. It's worthless. It's that simple. If those complaints are right, somehow the Brewers have won 55% of their games despite those problems. Unless you think the Crew has been the recipient of unprecedented luck thus far, they'll probably continue to perform at about the same level.
My point is this. Before the season, it was clear the Brewers and the Cubs would be in the thick of things until close to the end. It was also clear that neither team was much better than the other. It shouldn't come as a surprise, then, that 100 games into the season, the two teams are two games apart. It'll probably be close right to the end. The fact that the Crew has lost 5 out of their last 7 doesn't tell you any more about this team than the 3 out of 5 they lost to kick off the season.
The team that lost 5 out of 7 is the same damn team that has us in first place with the third best record in the league. No, the team is not perfect, and there are plenty of things that will keep it from ever becoming perfect. But the fact that those things have come up and bit us in the last few days doesn't mean that we won't continue to win games at a ~.550 clip, or that we can't continue to play better baseball than the Cubs.
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don't buy it
yes its a long season and one day or one week doesn't make a season. BUT it still doesn't lessen the fact that they looked horrible against the reds. There are games and series you should win, and being a no brainer. That was one of them. now its on to the cardinals.
by storminTAZZ on Jul 27, 2007 9:43 AM CDT 0 recs
Reds Series
All im saying is i like to complain about their situational hitting, but that comes and goes for all teams. The brewers will play well again.
The question for all brewers fans is this:
If the Brewers make the playoffs and lose the first series without winning a game and arent even close, are you happy about the season?
by Zel123 on
Jul 27, 2007 10:00 AM CDT
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huh?
The thing is, if we're supposed to be a .550 team playing a .450 team, then we're supposed to win 2 in a four game series, with a third game hanging in the balance. We didn't get close to that.
After 24-10, I don't think anybody thought we'd be sitting here almost 3 months later without ever having surpassed that 14-games-over-.500 mark. Its understandable that when it looked like we could have locked up the division early, people are frustrated that we never hit a higher gear.
by Bill on
Jul 27, 2007 10:15 AM CDT
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Diamondbacks series
by Zel123 on
Jul 27, 2007 10:22 AM CDT
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Dbacks series
I can't wait to see round 2 in person August 20 - 22. the first time I get to see my brewers since I spring training
by Kocchatollah on
Jul 28, 2007 3:04 AM CDT
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the problem
As you mentioned, this is the same team that was 8.5 games up a few weeks ago. In fact, our record is only a few games worse than it was then. Whether we realize it or not, the reason for the evaporating lead and the panic is less some major downturn by the Brewers, who've been playing the same mediocre way since April, than it is a major, extended surge by the Cubs. The lead has diminished so quickly because THEY'VE changed the way the played all season, while we've been in the same general muck.
The 24-10 start was a long, long time ago. Its looking increasingly like we really are just a .500 (or even slightly worse) team that's going to have to win the division with something like 86 or 87 games. The way the Cubs have been going, it just doesn't seem that's going to be enough anymore, and its sad.
by Bill on Jul 27, 2007 9:54 AM CDT 0 recs
where
maybe you misunderstood him cause that's the stupidest thing i've read today, and i read some cubs blogs this morning, too.
by jacob on
Jul 27, 2007 10:16 AM CDT
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one other thought
by Bill on Jul 27, 2007 9:58 AM CDT 0 recs
What's with all the worry on the cubs?
by hyattff2003 on Jul 27, 2007 10:08 AM CDT 0 recs
I'll call 'em out.
The comments in this thread are exactly what Jeff is talking about.
Bill, storminTAZZ, and Zel123 all pointed to smaller sample sizes in one way or another to suggest that this team is worse than they appear. That their true identity lies in this smaller sample.
If that's the way you want to follow the season, awesome, go for it. However, it's not a whole lot of fun to be around your "just medicore" -style doom & gloom.
Seriously, you sound like cub fans.
by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 10:13 AM CDT 0 recs
what?
24-10 (34 games) -- the Brewers true identity.
32-36 (68 games) -- too small a sample.
by Bill on
Jul 27, 2007 10:18 AM CDT
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no, that's not what he's saying.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 27, 2007 10:24 AM CDT
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so here's my question...
by Griswald on
Jul 27, 2007 10:40 AM CDT
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all of it?
by jacob on
Jul 27, 2007 10:42 AM CDT
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given what we've got...
But statistically speaking, probably more than we'll ever get. If you really wanted to know how good a team was, you'd want a couple hundred games, ideally against fairly even competition without much (if any) roster churn.
It's ridiculous, I know, but it points up just how fruitless it is to measure team quality based on a small sample. It's bad enough to use the 100 games we've got without throwing out a large number of those!
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 27, 2007 10:51 AM CDT
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Another fun split
Next 51 games: 28-23
Game 102: 1-0
Crazy but true.
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.
by TheJay on
Jul 28, 2007 3:46 AM CDT
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Should be "Game 103: 1-0"
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.
by TheJay on
Jul 28, 2007 3:46 AM CDT
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What did I say?
by Zel123 on
Jul 27, 2007 10:19 AM CDT
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nothing
by jacob on
Jul 27, 2007 10:42 AM CDT
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doom and gloom?
If they finish over .500 i'm elated and looking toward next season. i've been waiting for this since '70. Sorry just don't see losing 3 of 4 from a far less team but then again i lost my rose colored glasses.
being 14 games over .500 at one point. All they have to do is play .500 the rest of the way.
by storminTAZZ on
Jul 27, 2007 10:44 AM CDT
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doom & gloom
It's not the end of the world.
BUT it still doesn't lessen the fact that they looked horrible against the reds
They didn't look horrible against the reds. What is your definition of horrible?
I"ve cheered this team since tommy harper hit a homer in the bottom of the 9th to beat the white sox in 1970.
Good for you, i was rooting for them when they were still the Seattle Pilots. In fact, i was at a meeting in Mexico City in about 1967, i think, when i suggested to the Soriano brothers that if the team doesn't work out in Seattle Bud Selig will buy them in Milwaukee for certain. Man, that Dewey Soriano was quite a character. Used to wear his shoes backwards for kicks. He didn't have toes.
i've been waiting for this since '70.
Pass out in the early 80s then?
here are games and series you should win, and being a no brainer. That was one of them.
This is the clincher. The idea that there are games and series you "should" win. Yes the Brewers are better than the Reds, yes, they'll win more series against them than lose if they play a 1,000 series. But why "should" they win? It's this absurd expectation that you gloom & doomers use to point to as evidence that the team is not good. It's baseball. It happens, step back from the ledge.
Also, if you know which series the brewers should win, you also know which series the brewers should lose, right? Can you pick out the series that the brewers "should" lose?
stl, nym, phi, col, hou, stl, cin, ari, sf, chc, pit, hou, cin, pit, cin, hou, atl, stl, sd
I'm not trying to give any pointers on how to enjoy the season. I'm just agreeing with Jeff, let's not jump off the ledge.
also TAZZ, i can't make hide nor hair of your signature. Is it right?
by jacob on
Jul 27, 2007 11:05 AM CDT
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jacob
thanks for helping to bring baseball to milwaukee
by storminTAZZ on
Jul 30, 2007 7:09 AM CDT
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also
I remember that night like it was yesterday. About 71 degrees, Venus was in the southern sky, you could clearly see it over the RF bleachers and the stadium felt full with energy of having our brand spanking new franchise even though there were only about 7,696 other fans there.
Remember the inside the park homerun he hit a few days later in Cleveland?
Good times.
by jacob on
Jul 27, 2007 11:24 AM CDT
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well
does that mean that this swoon will continue? of course not. i've said all year that this is a different team, and there's still plenty of time to regroup and play .550 or .600 baseball. but it's tough for any brewers fan to not get that sinking feeling in their stomach that says, "here we go again."
by Griswald on Jul 27, 2007 10:13 AM CDT 0 recs
JJ, t-bow, coco
Im counting on Prince to carry us, like Ryan howard last year. Prince, even throughout the minors, gets hot and cold. Its time for him to get hot, and i predict he has forty five homers heading into September. Its a tall task, but with him hot, and the bullpen revved up. The brewers will have a good size lead going into September.
by Zel123 on Jul 27, 2007 10:15 AM CDT 0 recs
No need to panic.
Aside from the opening streak, the Brewers had another lengthy winning streak in the first half. Another streak should begin in about 2 weeks ;-)

My only question is how a team can be great at home and so terrible on the road?
by grant76 on Jul 27, 2007 10:19 AM CDT 0 recs
cordero
by SunglassesAtNight on
Jul 27, 2007 10:42 AM CDT
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someone needs to run the numbers
by grant76 on
Jul 27, 2007 10:51 AM CDT
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splits
by SunglassesAtNight on
Jul 27, 2007 11:30 AM CDT
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It is dramatic
Also, his K rate is still solid away from home, and his walk rate is much better.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 27, 2007 11:42 AM CDT
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still, though
by SunglassesAtNight on
Jul 27, 2007 1:27 PM CDT
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says something?
if a lights-out closer has 2 meltdowns at home and 2 on the road, does that say something as well?
by jacob on
Jul 27, 2007 1:48 PM CDT
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Every Great Closer has Meltdowns
by Zel123 on
Jul 27, 2007 2:01 PM CDT
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So what you're saying is
by roguejim on Jul 27, 2007 11:18 AM CDT 0 recs
especially linebrink
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 27, 2007 11:26 AM CDT
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that bastard
by roguejim on
Jul 27, 2007 12:01 PM CDT
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Its the pitchers. I think.
Which means the pitchers should be a bit better on the road.
Suppan 4.23 ERA(H) 5.80 ERA(R)
Bush 4.30 ERA(H) 5.66 ERA(R)
Sheets 2.64 ERA(H) 4.28 ERA(R)
Capuano 4.13 ERA(H) 5.36 ERA(R)
Vargas 4.47 ERA(H) 4.46 ERA(R)
Yovani 1.50 ERA(H) 3.12 ERA(R)
Cordero 0.33 ERA(H) 7.20 ERA(R)
Turnbow 3.28 ERA(H) 4.05 ERA(R)
Carlos 4.78 ERA(H) 2.68 ERA(R)
Shouse 1.38 ERA(H) 2.87 ERA(R)
Wise 2.98 ERA(H) 3.13 ERA(R)
Villanueave is the only guy that pitches better on the road. Vargas and Wise are about equal. Every other pitcher is markedly worse on the road. Why is that?
by grant76 on Jul 27, 2007 11:26 AM CDT 0 recs
Interesting
Seriously, though, thanks for checking that out. That's a bit surprising.
My insta-theory is that the Brewers are very good at acquiring pitchers who are well-suited to Miller Park. Or Estrada knows better how to call a game at home. But that's a pretty weak theory, and it's easy to poke holes in. It might be random. Or maybe every other team is stealing signs at home :).
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 27, 2007 11:29 AM CDT
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stealing signs
by jacob on
Jul 27, 2007 11:33 AM CDT
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uh yeah
(read the whole post jacob, read the whole post!)
by jacob on
Jul 27, 2007 11:35 AM CDT
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What book?
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.
by TheJay on
Jul 27, 2007 12:30 PM CDT
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Yep, that's the book
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 27, 2007 2:54 PM CDT
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You should
Also, you should put up the Brewers' magic number. :)
by roguejim on
Jul 27, 2007 12:32 PM CDT
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Speaking of demands
And a pony.
And a Super Bowl ad.
by roguejim on
Jul 27, 2007 12:33 PM CDT
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Unless...
We were cruising pretty well until the end of June, when we lost 2 of 3 in Chicago. Since then, there's been a lot of added pressure about losing ground to the Cubs, and much has been discussed here about the media adding to it, pretty much calling the Cubs taking the division inevitable.
Is this a legitimate concern --- that we're succumbing to the pressure of a pennant chase in July? It sounds ridiculous, and I haven't the foggiest idea if the players even consider stuff like that now.
In terms of talent, it's true, we're really not that different from where we were in June (give or take a healthy Hall and Weeks's wrists). The most likely answer is Jeff's, that each season has its ups and downs, so deal with it.
If you really want something to chew on, the only thing I can come up with is we're putting pressure on ourselves to win every game and keep pace with the Cubs' torrid play. No facts to justify the theory, just a thought.
Well, maybe there's another thought. When we raced to our 24-10 start, we were geting some pretty ridiculous numbers from (IIRC) the likes of Jenkins, Hardy, Turnbow, and CoCo. But the opposition makes adjustments, players perform more in line with expectations, etc., and we've been playing .500 ball. Maybe the thinking should be that we're a .500 team who had a fast start, and if that means an 86-win season, then so be it.
by roguejim on Jul 27, 2007 12:31 PM CDT 0 recs
Contact Hitter
Juan Pierre, Aaron Miles, Jack Wilson.
That's only in the top six!
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.
by TheJay on Jul 27, 2007 12:32 PM CDT 0 recs
If this is more your flavor
Pierre and Miles show up here, too! So does a certain Milwaukee shortstop. Hmm.
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.
by TheJay on
Jul 27, 2007 12:34 PM CDT
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Royce Clayton?
by roguejim on
Jul 27, 2007 12:37 PM CDT
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Luis Lopez?
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.
by TheJay on
Jul 27, 2007 12:38 PM CDT
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My pet theory on the team's struggles
"There are freaking geeks out there who get ... off on this kind of stuff," Melvin said.
by TheJay on Jul 27, 2007 12:43 PM CDT 0 recs
You play his walk up music backwards
by hyattff2003 on
Jul 27, 2007 1:36 PM CDT
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Enjoy the Ride
http://www2.jsonline.com/sports/brew/aug99/garner081199.asp
by Hot dog and Diet Coke on Jul 27, 2007 1:29 PM CDT 0 recs
Exactly
http://www2.jsonline.com/sports/brew/apr02/36371.asp
by hyattff2003 on Jul 27, 2007 1:52 PM CDT 0 recs
go brewers
:)
i love this team.
by jacob on Jul 27, 2007 2:00 PM CDT 0 recs
This is why they play 162 games
I said it yesterday (and got flamed). Brewers vs. Cubs, we all knew it would come down to these two teams.
Enjoy the pennant run. Even if the Brewers end up 2nd, it's a hell of a lot better then turning the Brewers of at the All-Star break isn't it?
Improvement is all I look for.
Face-it, the Brewers are NOT a World Series caliber team . . . . yet! But as long as they move forward I'm happy. Of course happier with finishing 1st but a hell of a lot happier then last year!
by Grinder12000 on Jul 27, 2007 2:14 PM CDT 0 recs
this thread
by Griswald on Jul 27, 2007 5:07 PM CDT 0 recs
i was wondering the same thing...
by Michael M on
Jul 27, 2007 7:24 PM CDT
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I'm all for a reality check
But there's been an opportunity lost here for this squad to be in a better position than it currently is. And we've all have seen how the lead has diminished over the last few weeks. I don't doubt this is the same team that opened as strongly as it did. It's just easier to see the flaws that always existed now that we're scuffling a bit. I love this team. I don't love the snarky "what is this, a Cubs site?" responses every time someone posts a comment that's remotely pessimistic about the way things are going. You can love this team and still be willing to acknowledge the obvious flaws or express frustration at repeatedly lost opportunities.
If that makes me a "gloom and doom" guys, then so be it. I never liked Kool-Aid all that much anyway.
:)
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 27, 2007 7:22 PM CDT 0 recs





