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Game #131: Here Comes The Soup!

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Game #1 in a slightly important three game series at the friendly confines.

Brewers Cubs

Jeff Suppan
4.68 K/9
3.14 BB/9
0.77 HR/9
45.5 GB%
20.8 LD%
33.7 FB%
  7.4 HR/FB%
4.85 FIP
.324 BABIP
Rich Hill
8.46 K/9
2.97 BB/9
1.40 HR/9
35.0 GB%
22.2 LD%
42.8 FB%
13.3 HR/FB%
4.49 FIP
.271 BABIP
Weeks 2b
Hart rf
Fielder 1b
Braun 3b
Mench lf
Hall cf
Estrada c
Hardy ss
Suppan p
 Soriano lf
Theriot ss
Lee 1b
Ramirez 3b
Floyd rf
DeRosa 2b
Jones cf
Kendall c
Hill p

Check out dixieflatline's excellent series preview for more!

Go Brewers!

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Bob just said the wind is blowing out
Excellent!  Also, a pretty solid lineup for Nedly.  Certainly you could argue flipping Fielder and Braun but besides that pretty solid.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 6:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

THIS IS IT!!!!
IT FEELS LIKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!

(or what i think the playoffs would feel like)

GO BREW!

TODAY IS THE DAY!

by Jamie in LA on Aug 28, 2007 6:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

this is it.
nuts, i forgot the most important part of the game thread...
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

go brewers
much better!
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love how
Cubs trolls gave 4 votes.

Hey, nobody pays me any mind here, but I'm always around.  

Lordz Of Vengeance....Seriously, Ned. Pull your head out of your ass.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 28, 2007 6:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i voted 0.
that the brewers could get swept and still be in it. what did you vote?
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I admit
I voted as a Cubs troll.  :D
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Aug 28, 2007 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow look at that FB and LD percentage
for Rich Hill.  No wonder is has given up so many homers.  With the wind blowing out and high 80's temperature hopefully he will give up a couple more tonight.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 6:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

excellent point
how about one more stat in there? HR/FB%
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exellent stuff there Jacob
We have already hit 4 homers against him and this will be his third start against us.  Hopefully the magic of his big curve will have worn off.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks
i'm kinda superstitious (really, it's true) so i think we needed a break from RJ's gamethreads, no offense RJ.
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Game Thread Jacob.
Love the pitchers matchup data, and the photos...

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 6:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea, great job
i like the design and everything put into it, good work!

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how to beat rich hill
you're going to get two pitches from rich hill curveball and mediocre fastball. As i said last year, rich hill is the successful version of Ben Hendrickson. You simply have to be patient with him and sit on the high fastball. Knock him around all day...

In fact, if you'll recall Hill's last start against Milwaukee, it took him 92 pitches to get through three innings. We'll see if the club can still play like that, or if they are pressing too much. Patience today boys, this kid is soft!

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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 6:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The did foul off about a million pitches
That is unlikely to happen again but they had the right approach like you said.  I mentioned it in the series writeup as well.  That fastball is very straight and not very fast.  Get in hitters counts and hammer the fastball.  Hopefully they will keep that approach going today.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow I can't believe how fired up I am
for this game.  I wonder if the guys in the dugout are just as fired up or if they are deer in the headlights?  I really have a good feeling about tonight's game which is strange for how I have been feeling about the team recently.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs announcers for me today
Should be interesting.  Like Daron with the D'backs Len Casper did a lot of Brewer games in the day.  I think it really shows in his announcing.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

God, I hope
there's a thousand homers at Wrigley tonight!

600 for us, 400 for them. 'Course our will be monumental blasts with no one on base. ;(

by heybatterbatter on Aug 28, 2007 7:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Or
1000 brewer strike outs.....

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what
what rickie was looking for, right down the middle, damn hill just struck out the side

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 7:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

All three on fastballs too
If we can't hit the fastball it could be a long night.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or worse
a really short one.
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah no kidding
would have been nice to put a little pressure on him in the first, so much for that

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's just like D Day
the beginning is a little rough but in the end we will be victorious!

by molitorfan on Aug 28, 2007 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yikes.
well weeks and hart were patient, too patient, and fielder chased a bad pitch. coulda been worse i suppose... not much though. i hope they aren't trying to sit on the curveball...
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 7:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gee, you don't think Fielder was pressing
a bit in that at bat, do you?  That last one was even with his helmet when he swung at it.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 7:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

just like
him in the All Star game.  He doesn't like the bright lights.

by molitorfan on Aug 28, 2007 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He seems to like those
I have seen him hit that pitch hard as strange as it seems.  Not a lot though.  A little lower is wheelhouse though.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im really glad
all these ground balls are going to hardy so far

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well
Last time we lit him up in the beginning and lost.

Maybe we're just switching things around.

by drezdn on Aug 28, 2007 7:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soup not nibbling
Throwing strikes.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice pitch
great start for soup!

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

only 15 homers for Lee
I wonder if he is going to go all Lance Berkman on the cubs next year and collapse.  He is the wrong side of 30 and the power numbers are way down.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cards get 3 in the first
No idea how they keep winning games but they are.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what the hell
are they swinging at

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That one was over his head
and he wasn't even within a foot of it.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol
yea that was crazy, he swung like it was down the middle, and it was at his helmet

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hill's move to first
Is very, very, close to a balk.  Sedar needs to be in the umps ear about that.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

all those pitches
are right down the fucking middle, if we aint going to hit them, then we are fucked

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 7:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

these guys
have got to settle down and not swing for the ivy.
I am 3 days away from total fitness. Call anytime.

by Brooks Kieschnick on Aug 28, 2007 7:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Or
Take a few pitches.  Damn this, since they've started to suck, all of them seem to take three fucking pitches and that's it.  They swing at everything.  This will end in tears.

by nmc on Aug 28, 2007 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes
I am 3 days away from total fitness. Call anytime.

by Brooks Kieschnick on Aug 28, 2007 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That curve to Estrada...
... was a thing of beauty.  

Dammit.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 7:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He hasn't even used it that much
Which is a scary thing.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes
at this pace we'll get another arroyo quote... it was the easiest start of the year, they were real aggressive, i coulda rolled it up there they woulda swung at it...
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Houston had
1st and 2nd no out, then berkman and lee strike out and wigginton flies out to end it...

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon, Crew
Lordz Of Vengeance....Seriously, Ned. Pull your head out of your ass.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 28, 2007 7:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder
If the Brewers would be hitting better if this game had happened last Friday?

by drezdn on Aug 28, 2007 7:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if you all heard
sheets pitching tomorrow, parra on thursday, and that is smart of yost, cubs don't hit lefties well

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 7:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that
is the best news I've heard in a while.  In Yovani going Friday?

by molitorfan on Aug 28, 2007 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey
anyone know why cub fans love the fly ball out so much? they cheer it nearly as much as homeruns. kinda weird, is it some inside joke? ;)
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That flyball looked like a lazy flyball
off the end of the bat.  Carried to the warning track.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yea for sure
especially when the wind is looking like it is today

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely
He picked a good day for keeping the ball down.  Getting some strike calls on balls that I think are a little low and maybe off the outer corner as well.  I'm sure he will be aiming for that all night.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well yall
Im going to go jogging and then go fishin and catch this thing on archive. I cant stand the pressure. Burnin daylight, gotta take advantage. I will gauge the win by my fishing luck and report back later.
GO CREW!
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by Brooks Kieschnick on Aug 28, 2007 7:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

im going to assume
you caught some huge fish within the first 5 minutes, thought you would have a great day, then you caught nothing for the next 3 hours, and to top it off, your fish somehow jumped off the hook back into the water.

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey look at that
hardys laying of the ball over his head, good to see someone is

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The veterans (mench and suppan)
are the only ones that don't seem to be nervous...

by Crazy Echo on Aug 28, 2007 7:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hardy
Apparently meant for the 8 spot.

by drezdn on Aug 28, 2007 7:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we can steal a cheap run here
See if Suppan can get this bunt down.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

alright guys
lets try to not stirke out like crazy again

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Normally I say second time through the order
we should do better.  But man not a great first time through.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well
looking good through 1 guy at least

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again Hill getting close to moving forward
before turning to second.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow this would be a small ball run
Hopefully Hart can make some contact.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that would make him
2 for 27 since June 25th with RISP.  Love them selective endpoints.  Way to go rick
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by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 7:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow nice job
by rickie to tag up on that one

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good baserunning
by the Brewers? no.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously.
i bet estrada could have done it too, tho

by Jamie in LA on Aug 28, 2007 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahhhhh
screw the shift

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1-0, I'll take it
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by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 7:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, great shift
cubs shift scores a run.
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 7:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A lot more contact there
and still not a lot of curves for Hill.  The must have looked at the tape and saw the crew was laying off that pitch early in the count in his last two starts and decided to go with a lot of fastballs.  Unlike Suppan, Hill has been up in the zone a lot today.  If we can make contact we can make him pay.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

nice!!!!!
hill not able to help himself as soup was

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and
it costed them a run right there

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who would have thought
we are out littleballing the Cubs.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes
the Cubs are the kings of little balls

by molitorfan on Aug 28, 2007 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ba dum bum
Lordz Of Vengeance....Seriously, Ned. Pull your head out of your ass.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 28, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

braun
gonna lead off with a first pitch two run homerun, it'll be amazing.
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 7:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey
ill take a first pitch single too

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Starting to figure him out
Took a while but the bats are coming around.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HOLY CRAP
wow!!!!!!!! nicely done rickie!!!!

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
hell of a play by rickie, best play by him all year long

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

holy crap...
...who's wearing rickie's jersey tonight?

by Big In 2015 on Aug 28, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

come on Rickie
get us another run!

by molitorfan on Aug 28, 2007 8:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

0-2
hit by pitch, gotta love it

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 8:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

let's see
a 3-run shot to make them pay

by molitorfan on Aug 28, 2007 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NICE COREY!!!!!!
wow, 3 runs, NO HOMERUNS, what is going on

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 8:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here is what everyone in here was saying
drop, Drop, DROP, YEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lmao
you have my reaction perfectly

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damnit Princey
Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow, soup
is looking really impressive so far today

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 8:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soup pitching great
Maybe the second half suppan has shown up.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
kendall just sticking his bat out on that one

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

of course
right after i comment on soup pitching great......

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

whats going on
that stinks, the pitcher with the RBI

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Balls just falling
Nothing you can do about that.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that run is on mench
a better LF prevents kendall from getting to 2b. with two strikes why is he playing so deep, running so slow and double clutching... yuck.
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 8:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So very much like Bush against the Giants
Suppan's pitch count is only at 68 but 2-3-4 due up in the order for the 6th.  This is the 3rd time they will have seen Suppan and we all know what that means thanks to some nice diary work.  This is a very, very, important game and the pen should be completely rested.  If anyone gets on Ned needs to get someone up.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

come on guys
enough swinging at that crap above your head

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 8:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Man they have taken some bad hacks tonight
But still have three runs on the board.  That isn't too bad considering how they have looked for most of the night.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously
this is bull
Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I am also, very very nervous about this inning
(going for the reverse jinx on the cubs)

by Crazy Echo on Aug 28, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

6-0 cards
so much for cooper firing up the astros.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bill looking a bit lazy on that one
It would have been nice to see him get in front of it.  At least he caught it.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ummmm
that looked like it hit the wall to me

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 8:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

me too
I want a replay.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ned should get upset over this
And how did Lee not get to second there.  It looked like it was in the air forever.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HUGE
double play.  Let's see the 'pen in the 7th.  Soup did his job.

by molitorfan on Aug 28, 2007 8:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

His spot is due up
I'm guessing Ned is going to stick with him though.  At least to start the 7th.  He is past the best part of the Cubs order.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow the defense has been steller tonight
not just good.  Great.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Estrada just looked at the first pitch
someone alert ripleys
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by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

even if
soup wasn't up third this inning, I would still bring in linbrink

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

JJ
and the 8 spot go together like a Cubs fan and unemployment.

by molitorfan on Aug 28, 2007 8:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ZING!!!
Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JJ rickie and Corey driving them in
Good to see others chipping in.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soup
Only has 78 pitches with the 5-6-7 hitters coming up.  I think he can do one more inning.

by KegelExercise on Aug 28, 2007 8:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but
if one batter gets on he has to get yanked.

by molitorfan on Aug 28, 2007 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd sure like to see one of our lefties up
Shouse preferable.  I'd like him to face Jones if someone is on.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

looks like class
goes with the scrub fans like showers
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by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of class
notice we are troll free so far? think they show up even if they don't take the lead?
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They'll probably get here
Just as soon as they're done leaving <a herf="http://reconditebaseball.blogspot.com/2007/08/daily-tracker-827.html">anonymous comments elsewhere</a>. Cortland, Illinois must be a horrible place to live (or at least have your ISP). :)
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darnit
I can type: here's the real link.
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmao
thats because hes too much of an idiot to understand any of the stats you breakdown there. i for one love your blog so far, keep up the good work.

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, this is what I don't get
I don't exactly do anything earth-shattering or useful in stats breakdowns on my blog, so I figure he/she is in one of two categories:
  1. He/she has quite a statistical bent and really dislikes what I do. I can't imagine someone like that being that flippant.
  2. He/she is like the Cubs fans that troll here, a complete idiot that thinks anything statistical, whether useful or useless, is gibberish and feels threatened by it and must post anonymously in some self-important, feel-good way as if that will turn everyone into some Cubbie Care Bear, fall-asleep-in-the-poppies-to-the-strains-of-Kumbaya, love-your-brothers clone.
At least, those are the only sorts of Cubs fans I know of. Either way, I think it's funny they spent enough time here to get the link to my blog and then decided to post a stupid comment. I know I shouldn't talk about having a real life, but c'mon, have a little pride in your trolling. If you're going to rail about someone, at least make it into some sort of self-important, rambling diatribe. ;)
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

leave it to cub fans
to boo mr. baseball. a class act that group, a class act all the way.
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 8:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I liked Uke's line
"So root, root, root for the Brewers <normal voice> and you can do the same for the Cubs..."
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he used to sing it
and they used to cheer... oh well.
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by jacob on Aug 28, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
You don't expect Cubs fans to have respect for anything coming from outside the Rotting Confines, do you?
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay
soup is done

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 8:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good job soup
now you boys in the pen don't blow it
Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

come on NED
LEAVE HIM OUT THERE...

by baseballdan1092 on Aug 28, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Linebrink in
Hard to disagree with that move by Ned.  I wouldn't have minded Linebrink to start the inning but now you have to go with him.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

uggggghhh
woulda had floyd at 2nd if he wasnt running

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
we just find ways to lose

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DAMNIT
Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Aug 28, 2007 9:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What the...
seriously this is getting pathetic!
Brewers, Brewers keep turning up the heat.. Milwaukee Brewers..

by Aschen on Aug 28, 2007 9:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Still no outs
Shouse was ready.  Why didn't Ned go to him?
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well ill be back in a little bit
i dont think i can stomach watching the rest of this inning

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

McClung up?
WTF?
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

um
is it too late to ask for a refund on Linebrink

by keephopealive on Aug 28, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd like him better
if he played for the Cubs

by keephopealive on Aug 28, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is Shouse even warming up?
What is the point?
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he must
be getting in a bull pen session

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now the IBB
to get to Soriano.  Gamble at best.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we can not get behind
the way our offense has been tonight

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

even
if he lets that go, we get the guy at second

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Suppan should be allowed to punch
Linebrink in the mouth when this inning finally ends.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Uke
apparently loves every Cubs player.

by molitorfan on Aug 28, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

anything else..?
damn Linebrink, make a play.
Brewers, Brewers keep turning up the heat.. Milwaukee Brewers..

by Aschen on Aug 28, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Idiot
that is not a play, Linebrink.
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by Aschen on Aug 28, 2007 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I seriously
can't take this shit any more.

by molitorfan on Aug 28, 2007 9:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This game has been just like teh season
Fast start. hold on in the middle blow it late.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Linebrink has started
every hitter this inning with a pitch off the outside corner. And he still can't figure out why they aren't swinging at it.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

time
to take a triple dose of sleeping pills, hope i wake up when the season is over

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So Linebrink is the latest in a long line of
relievers this season that you have to be scared to put in a tight game.  He last pitched Sunday and he coughed up that lead for the loss too.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What I don't understand is...
why can't announcer Jim Powell hold a friggin' lead!  What is his problem?!  Don't think we've blame him this season.....:-/

by heybatterbatter on Aug 28, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say it
Isn't ramirez known as a fastball hitter

by PDUBS1216 on Aug 28, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ya know...
When you trade a decent pitching prospect for a bullpen rental, you at least hope you get some value.

Inman better end up being a AAAA player for all the 'value' we're getting from Linebrink.

by Acheron on Aug 28, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

man
I really think this year we had a really good chance to win the division, who says it will be this weak next year, we might be better, but so might the rest of the teams in our division. WE blew a golden opportunity

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hart Fielder and Braun
Better make something happen this inning.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well ummmm
hart fielder braun up, i guess we better get it done here

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

dang
beat me by 2 seconds

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

football
can not start soon enough, just sucks when you spend that much emotion and energy and this is what you get back, bunch of shit

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure if I would hold my breath
for the packers this year.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

atleast
I know they will suck, i actually thought the Brewers might be good

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm watching on Gameday
and yet, I can picture the Brewer's beggining to try to get everything back with one swing until we get through the last six outs before I finish typing

by PDUBS1216 on Aug 28, 2007 9:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

dang
well that wasnt the start to the inning i had envisioned

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

alright here we go
braun home run, this things tied back up

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind bringing in Linebrink
But I'm pissed that it took Ned that long to take him out.  I can seem him thinking now..."Should I pull Linebrink?  Nah, the game's still within reach."
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Aug 28, 2007 9:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree
Why was Shouse even up?  Why have him warming if everything goes wrong and you don't use him.  What situation was Ned planning on using him?
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Double J
predicted 1000 strikeouts for the Crew tonight. The Brewers are making his point beautifully.  Feels like a thousand, doesn't it?

by heybatterbatter on Aug 28, 2007 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are we up to
15 strike outs where we swing at something out of the zone

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good call by Ned
I love Bill Hall, but he's been scuffling a little.  It's something of a gutsy call.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Aug 28, 2007 9:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not if
gabe has anything to say about that

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess
gabe has nothing to say

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dang
apparently he doesnt

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And he takes the fifth...
I can't believe the last time we played the Cubs we were up 8 1/2 games and we were up 7 1/2 over the Cards.  Some of my buddies are just shutting down their baseball minds for the season and switching to the Pack and UW.  Not a bad idea, not a bad idea at all.

by MunichBrats on Aug 28, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am with your buddies
I think i might be done with baseball for the year

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

any word on
the firing of ned yost? Oh wait they havent fired him yet so i guess there is no word on it...

by baseballdan1092 on Aug 28, 2007 9:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Doug
But you have to wonder if his head might be on the chopping block as well.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he is
i think linebrink will be swinging the axe

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whats wrong with him?
we have the talent, we dont have a manager that can use the talent...

by baseballdan1092 on Aug 28, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh
So far, the only trade that has turned out to be a disaster has been the Linebrink one, though excessive loyalty to Nedgar could be an impeachable offense.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Aug 28, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the rotation was looking like a problem
When Sheets went down.  The farm system has dried up pretty fast.  And they have gone through this horrible downswing and GMs have been fired for a lot less.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how?
is the farm system dried out. didnt you just hear they made the playoffs with GREAT pitching?

by baseballdan1092 on Aug 28, 2007 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
But the PCL isn't exactly a great offensive league, so a bunch of non-prospects can pitch well there. Hell, Gary Glover tore it up in his go-round.
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His trades have been good
But his signings/extensions have been an issue.  The Suppan deal.  The Brady Clark deal when he could have just gone to arby with him.  The Sheets deal hasn't looked great because of the injuries.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget
the Bill Hall contract.  Huge mistake.

by Bill on Aug 28, 2007 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's on life support
Not his job, literall he's on life support.  That's the only thing that would excuse him from taking so long to get Linebrink out of there.  Did you know that Will Inman is the No. 33 Prospect in all of baseball?  I can't believe this crap.

by MunichBrats on Aug 28, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea
the key word is prospect though. is there somewhere i can look at a list of the number 33 prospect for each year and see who they were?

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's 30-40
  1. Scherzer, Max AZ P 23 7/27/1984 2008
  2. Guerra, Deolis NY-N P 18 1/1/1989 2009
  3. Tabata, Jose NY-A OF 19 8/12/1988 2009
  4. Inman, Will SD P 20 2/6/1987 2009
  5. Gonzalez, Gio CHI-A P 21 9/19/1985 2008
  6. Kennedy, Ian NY-A P 22 12/19/1984 2009
  7. Cueto, Johnny CIN P 21 2/15/1986 2008
  8. Niemann, Jeff TB P 24 2/28/1983 2008
  9. Votto, Joey CIN 1B 23 9/10/1983 2008
  10. Slowey, Kevin MIN P 23 5/4/1984 2007
  11. Pelfrey, Mike NY-N P 23 1/14/1984 2007
Take a look at any of those guy's stats.  Granted Pelfrey and Slowey have already come up and not impressed, but I would take any of those guys over Scott "I'll blow the game when it's on the" Linebrink.

by MunichBrats on Aug 28, 2007 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh that is what Shouse was warming up for
So an inning later he could come in.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

alright, i guess well have
estrada hardy and jenks to get it done in the 9th....nice job by shouse by the way

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One inning too late
I'd love for a leadoff hitter that could work the count but hard to pinch hit for Estrada.  Weeks has power if it gets that far.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
A HBP and two infield hits aren't usually a recipe for success. A couple bad breaks can doom any team, eh?
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But they got a few breaks
to score their runs.  The breaks haven't been one sided like a few of the games recently.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be honest
If this is the way the Brewers are going to play, I would rather they didn't make the playoffs.  What would be worse than seeing them build a three-run lead in a series clinching game, only to have to wait for the hammer to drop.

by PDUBS1216 on Aug 28, 2007 9:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No....
I would rather see them make the playoffs for the first time since the early 80's myself!

by MunichBrats on Aug 28, 2007 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs bench
If the Brewers tie it up or take the lead here, it might be interesting to see what happens if the pitcher's spot comes up again (in extras, if it gets that far). The Cubs are out of reserves already.
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 9:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow they had 6 guys on the bench to start
Extra innings would look juicy.
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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would expect
zambrano to get an AB

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that happened
We could always be like Cubs fans and call for them to pop him in the elbow or knee.
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Murton and Blanco?
Didn't the Cubs have both Murton and Blanco still available?

by cubfan on Aug 29, 2007 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Blanco for sure
Gameday must have been acting weird when I tried to check - I saw Blanco didn't play when I looked at the box score later in the night.
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by TheJay on Aug 30, 2007 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well.....
on the plus side sheets is comming back, i like our chances with him and parra, that is assuming they both throw 9 innings

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

did you forget?
Zambrono is pitching tomorrow?

by baseballdan1092 on Aug 28, 2007 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no big deal
weve beaten up on zambrano plenty of times, and all it takes is one play to piss him off and make him go crazy

by DoubleJ235 on Aug 28, 2007 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOOOOO COMMENT
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COMMMMMMMMMMMENT

by baseballdan1092 on Aug 28, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How appropriate
ending the game with a strikeout

by PDUBS1216 on Aug 28, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, well
Like I said earlier, a couple bad breaks at the wrong time and the lead was blown. Could've happened to anyone on the staff, really. It sucks that it happened in this game on the heels of everything that's gone wrong lately, but this easily could have gone the other way. I still like our chances to take at least one of the next two games and 1-2 wouldn't leave us too far behind.
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

we all have been
saying that same shit for the last month now though, and I for one and sick of it, losing that is. I really don't see us turing it around, and we will be lucky to finish above .500

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe there's a trend there then
I suppose we COULD just strike every batter out and thus remove the chance of any cheap base hits...or not get too worked up over an unlucky inning.
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also
Did anyone say anything about lucky breaks when the team had that ridiculously hot start? It was a bad inning; I don't think it's jump-off-a-bridge bad. Sure, the team hasn't done well lately, but to act like the seventh inning tonight is some microcosm of the team since the all-star break (or even the last month) is a little bit of an exaggeration, at least in my mind.
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the...
"Sure, the team hasn't done well lately, but to act like the seventh inning tonight is some microcosm of the team since the all-star break (or even the last month) is a little bit of an exaggeration, at least in my mind."

What team have you been watching the past two months?

This is PRECISELY what's happened ... over and over and over again since the break.

"You could give the man in second place an extra 180 home runs and he still wouldn't catch Aaron in total bases."

by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine, then it's happened
Whose fault is it that the Cubs got lucky on a couple infield hits? Is it some fundamental flaw?
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd kill...
for the Brewers to be this "lucky." It always seems to be the other teams get lucky ... 14 times this season the other team has been lucky when the Brewers have had a three-run lead. What good team blows 14 three-run leads?

After a while, for this board, who feasts on numbers, would need to say: "That's a negative trend."

And his fault or not, Yost can't push the right button, no matter what button he tries to push.

But to not recognize the seventh inning of tonight's game as a microcosm of the season ... I can't agree with you there.

"You could give the man in second place an extra 180 home runs and he still wouldn't catch Aaron in total bases."

by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying the other 14 times were luck
I'm saying that two infield hits isn't going to happen often. For all I know the other thirteen times they blew a lead the ball was hit hard. I'll grant that the double that tied the game was hit hard, but what does Ned Yost have to do with Linebrink misplaying a chopper to the mound? Is he supposed to rush out and field it himself? I mean, really.
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I personally don't blame Yost for the way he
managed tonights game.  I agreed with the calls he made.  Unlike other games, I thought he put his team in position to win a tight game, which is really all you can ask.

I do blame him for the fact that this is a team with above average talent that is under .500 5/6 of the way through the season.  Maybe they'll right the ship and finish 5-10 games above .500.  Maybe that's as good as they are.  But I don't believe they're a sub .500 club and right now that's how they're playing...

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no...
... not the "he can't pitch or hit for them" canard.

If we're honest here, it's not just the poorly fielded ball. It's a series of moves that lead to a guy having to make a tough play to get the last out of that inning.

It's leaving Suppan in to hit with Hardy on first and one out in the seventh. If you're going to yank Soup if he allows a runner, why leave him into hit? May as well get a pinch hitter up.

It's taking Suppan out at all. Many have made the argument that taking him out after the Floyd HBP was a mistake as well. Soup seemed to be on his game.

It's IBBing the pinch hitter, Ward, to get to Soriano. Soriano's grounded into eight DPs in 138 ABs this season. Was that a smart move? Now, there's one out with two men on and the top of the order coming up? Is that something you want? And guess what -- Pie, running for Ward, scored.

Regardless, it could be a gork, a flare, a frozen rope, a screamer, a wind-blown double, it doesn't matter. That seventh inning was more of the same ... and it's becoming exhausting to watch and to explain away after.

"You could give the man in second place an extra 180 home runs and he still wouldn't catch Aaron in total bases."

by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suppan
"If you're going to yank Soup if he allows a runner, why leave him into hit?"

Because he's on his game, as you said, and if he sails through the inning you're that much closer to the end.

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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But then...
... if he's on his game, you don't take him out just because he hits Floyd.

And if he isn't on his game, if you're going to yank him as soon as someone gets on base, why do you waste an out in the top of the seventh by having Suppan sacrifice? That doesn't makes sense.

If you're going to pull him at the first sign of trouble -- why have a relief pitcher inherit runners? Why not just have Linebrink start the seventh?

And if you have inherited runners, why not bring in Shouse, who has been lights out with inherited runners?

The more I think about it, the more the four-run seventh makes me angry.

"You could give the man in second place an extra 180 home runs and he still wouldn't catch Aaron in total bases."

by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm
"And if you have inherited runners, why not bring in Shouse, who has been lights out with inherited runners?"

If you're general usage is to be brought into jams to retire a lefty and you're a lefty, shouldn't you be by definition good at dealing with inherited runners? I'm a Shouse fan and think he's a decent option, but bringing him in to face a number of righties isn't a great situation for him.

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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad...
... on Shousie. I misread that he had two lefties coming up when he had a righty and a lefty.

See, I can't even think straight any longer.

Anyway, I'd rather us celebrate a win one of these days. That'd be nice.

"You could give the man in second place an extra 180 home runs and he still wouldn't catch Aaron in total bases."

by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But when does a series of blown games
in the late innings become more than something that just happened that we shouldn't get too worked up about?  I see what you're saying.  There certainly was some luck involved in the Cubs 7th, but there's been plenty of games where we've blown leads that didn't consist of a couple of infield hits.  To continue to say, well it's just one inning, or just one game, or just a couple of infield hits that could have been outs fairly easily defies logic.  For months now I've heard how things statistically will balance back out and this team will go on at least a mini-winning streak.  And it made some sense when I heard it, but it's getting late, and we're still waiting.  The infield hits may not constitute a fundamental flaw, but that this team consistantly finds ways to lose certainly appears to be.  The method may have been slightly different tonight, but the outcome was the same.  And no one is going to convince me that Linebrink didn't break under the pressure of that inning tonight.  Maybe he had some bad luck, but it clearly got to him.  A calm, clear thinking pitcher doesn't misplay that ball on the mound and gets out of the inning with the game tied.  He panicked, plain and simple.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright
Let's assume that blowing leads is some sort of repeatable "skill." Who does the responsibility rest on? Is it the bullpen, for not executing? Is it the manager, for putting the wrong guys in situations to succeed? I guess what I'm getting at is that when something goes wrong, it's easy to say, oh, someone else should have been in there and blame the manager. On the other hand, the only bullpen guy who seems to get flak when he fails is Turnbow (and, I guess, Cordero). Even tonight, the criticism seems more towards Yost than Linebrink (and maybe I'm biased and failed to read the thread above close enough).

I'm no fan of Yost's bullpen usage in general, but I don't think he's at fault all fourteen times they've blown a 3-0 lead. So, that in mind, would firing Yost at some earlier point in the season have changed the outcome tonight, or last week, or the week before? If not, what do you change in the bullpen? I think Melvin did what he could to upgrade the bullpen at the trade deadline and it hasn't worked out as planned. So, going forward, what's the plan? Try and trade for some veteran reliever that's cleared waivers? Let Seth McClung pitch more innings that have gone to Linebrink, Spurling, et al?

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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't have any trouble with trying McClung
in tight games in the 7th or 8th at this point.  We need to find out what we have in him for next year anyway.  Linebrink has coughed up 3 leads in his last 3 appearances.

And it's not a repeatable skill.  I know it's tempting to statistically analyze those blown games to find some underlying cause that can be attacked by using a different approach.  But I don't think it's that simple with this group.  These are still human beings after all and hitters can press and pitchers can tighten up when certain game situations come up, particularly when they're similar to those where those same players have recently failed repeatedly.  That may not be very satisfying, but it doesn't mean it can't be true.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jay...
... I agree with you on this. Not all of them have been Ned's fault per se.

Like I said in another post, no matter what button Yost pushes, the button doesn't work. Nothing has lately... I have feeling a bullpen of Gossage, Fingers and Eckersley in their collective prime would find a way to shovel a win into the loss column right now.

Has it been bad luck, bad timing, bad play, bad decision making?

It's been a little bit of everything, but it's added up to one game under .500 and third place in the standings.

"You could give the man in second place an extra 180 home runs and he still wouldn't catch Aaron in total bases."

by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just frustrated, as I think everyone is
Sorry if I'm coming off as a prick tonight disagreeing with everything.
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all...
... My apologies as well. I get irrational when it comes to the Skipper.

One of many reasons I'm not a GM (my being an idiot is the No. 1 reason...)

"You could give the man in second place an extra 180 home runs and he still wouldn't catch Aaron in total bases."

by HobokenCrew on Aug 28, 2007 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagreeble prick
:D

I believe this should fall after the two "Not at All" comments, and everyone knows that punch line hits on the third.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Aug 29, 2007 6:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that's the point.
As I've tried to say a few times now, I thought he actually managed a pretty good game tonight.  There are other games we've blown where I was upset with Ned's decisions, but not tonight.

That said, this isn't a team that should be a game below .500.  There's too much talent here for that.  If Ned doesn't get them to play to his potential, which I think is what's happened, then he needs to go.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way,
read my post below on what I thought of Yost's management calls in tonight's game.  Maybe it's more clear below than it was above.  I'd like to see Ned go, but I don't believe I've ever called for him to be canned in season, which would have been counter-productive in my opinion.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

man
I was soo pumped for tonights game, now I am not sure if i want to watch another one this year

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 9:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

God Damnit
You can now officially count me on the Fire Ned Yost Bandwagon.  

by KegelExercise on Aug 28, 2007 9:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I blame Ned for everything tonight
He yanked Suppan after the first baserunner in the seventh, that's a black mark. He stuck with Linebrink even after a cheap infield hit, another black mark. He probably distracted Linebrink during his misplay, so another black mark. I hate him too.
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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2007 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sarcasm noted.
I thought pulling Suppan was probably the right call, though it was a tough one.  Ned has certainly left his starters in only to see them collapse in that situation before.  This time he came with the hook which looked to me like the right call.  

Unfortunately, Linebrink gave up a couple of runs and then blew his chance to get out of the inning 3-3.  But I agree that's not Yost's fault.  I don't blame him for not going to Shouse in the 7th either, which would have only resulted in Pinella bringing a righty off the bench.  I liked Gross pinch hitting for Hall a lot. I've been looking for him to make that kind of call all year.

I still don't like Yost, but I thought he managed a pretty good game tonight and put his players in position to win, but they didn't get it done.  I haven't said that often because I don't really be it's been true most of the season.  But I think it was true tonight.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slight disagreement
I think Yost panicked.  With Suppan going well and Linbebrink struggling, he should have stuck with Supp at least one more batter.

However, what was Supp doing throwing the inside pitch to Floyd, anyway?  He'd looked awful on two off-speed pitches.  You've got to try that pitch again...out of the strike zone away to get him to chase.  Awful pitch selection there.  Maybe Floyd ends up getting a hit, but you can't lose him with a HBP after having him 0-2 and then 1-2.  

by raisin on Aug 29, 2007 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds like that will take you
right back into the "Estrada/pitch selection" argument again.  
If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

by Adam P on Aug 29, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just can't understand yost's comments though
in his postgame interview he talked about how he was happy with linkebirnk's effort and he gave it his all so by proxy he did a good job. i can understand he wants to stand up to his player with the media and may say differently behind closed doors. but just once i'd like to hear him talk about results. and stop using cliche' lines like we have to play and battle ect ect.
if hard effort doesn't = results, then what's the point?
"You can't explain it. That's why it's a game." -Ned Yost

by Michael M on Aug 28, 2007 11:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nearly a month ago now...
.... Yost admitted in a press conference that he didn't know what to say to his players anymore.  I doubt he knows what to say to the media at this point either.  Everything's been said a hundred times since this team started to fall apart.

Got to say my main concern is quickly becoming how this season might carry over to the next.  It happens, in sports, though it's not quantifiable and amenable to statistical analysis, and thus many baseball fans don't like to talk about it.  The best players on this team are really just kids.  Someone's got to get their minds right before next April, and I'm not so sure that a guy who admits he doesn't know what to say to them is the guy for that job.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 28, 2007 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know he's older...
but i'd love to see the brewers bring in davey johnson. he's won whereever he's gone and has lots of experience
"You can't explain it. That's why it's a game." -Ned Yost

by Michael M on Aug 28, 2007 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have now
scored 621 and allowed 637. pretty much lines up with their record. Maybe its time we realize this team is not as good we all thought

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 11:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think
I think it has only happened 5 time where a team gave up more run then it scored and won the division

by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 28, 2007 11:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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