Game Thread #147: Can't Stop the Bleeding

by Jeff Sackmann on Sep 15, 2007 4:37 PM CDT in Game Threads Comment 105 comments

We're falling in the standings and the game hasn't even started yet!

The Cubs beat the Cards 3-2 this afternoon, making the division lead 2 games. They'll play again, so if everything breaks right, we'll end the day a game out.

Today it's Suppan vs. Saarloos. If you do a google search for "Home Run Derby," you get this link. C'mon people, Braun and Fielder have milestones to chase!

Go Brewers!

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Lineup

Weeks, 2B
Gross, RF
Braun, 3B
Fielder, 1B
Hart, CF
Jenkins, LF
Miller, C
Hardy, SS
Suppan, P

Miller's playing and it's not even a Sunday or a Thursday. Crazy days.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

good

johnny estrada is a joke throwing behind the plate

"They're trying to make me the escape-goat" -Michael Scott

by msoebrewcrewfan on Sep 15, 2007 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed.

i really dont know why damian isnt starting more. they dont need bats; they need leadership; and he provides that when he is in there calling the game for our so called pitchers...

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hes

jeff suppan personal catcher.

by baseballdan1092 on Sep 15, 2007 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is he?

I thought that might have something to do with it but I was too lazy to look it up. Thanks.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brian anderson

just said it

by baseballdan1092 on Sep 15, 2007 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Next year

I hope Yost is gone, or that they've traded Hall. I'm tired of watching him ride the bench, and it would be nice to see him play again.

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 15, 2007 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

you love bill hall...

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

As fun as it is to analyze baseball, there are some players that I just enjoy watching.

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 15, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey...

The PFx system is off on gameday for tonight's game. What's up with that?

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The chat area is swarming with cubs fans

someone help me out

Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Sep 15, 2007 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Of course it it.

They're winning right now, so all the losers are digging their Cubs gear back out of the trash bin they threw it in last week.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of course it is, I mean. Or meant.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know it's easy to get caught up in the moment...

... but after Braun made that diving stop, BA just said that Braun has exceeded the Brewers expectations defensively at 3rd base.

Uh, no, he hasn't.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Attn: FSN Booth

When your little monitor shows the sun is shining right into the camera, please don't make that your feed that goes out to everyone. Some of us like our sight. Thanks.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

can you guys believe the cards?

they really have been playing terrible. no help to us, obviously...

go gabe!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Let's blow these bastards out.

Sorry. I watched the early Cubs/Cardinals game, and I'm a little irritable.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good for Braun

Doesn't get a hit, but avoids the DP and ensures he gets an RBI for his trouble.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hits, Errors going our way, Runs...

Geez, is this what it's like to get some breaks? :)

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Caught up in the moment II.

"Prince fielder is very close to being the best hitter in this league." - Bill Schroeder

Come on. I love the guy. I love that he's hot in September while we're in a pennant race. But, come on.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Close

He's kind of close to being the best hitter on the Brewers. Does that count?

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 15, 2007 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i thought it was a bit of a stretch too

but it was a very nice hit.

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

grrrr...uecker

Get up, get outta here, and foul!

jerk

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 15, 2007 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ha. He's getting worse at that.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oah yeah he is...

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The calls I hate more are:

Get up, get outta here, that ball is.... caught at the wall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Still a crooked number.

I'll take it.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

When did Princey start rocking a mohawk?

It's like he's Chubber Lang

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by hyattff2003 on Sep 15, 2007 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ha!

nice one.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the appreciation

my fiance totally rolled her eyes

Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Sep 15, 2007 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

After you've been married 15 years like me,

you'll enjoy the rolled eyes as much as the laughter...

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just entered year 5 with her

and i'll tell ya, Chubber Lang should get at least a giggle, if not a full guffaw, at least in jest

Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen

by hyattff2003 on Sep 15, 2007 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I sometimes

have to insist on an appropriate response to my jokes. If I don't get a smirk or at least an eye-roll, I'll demand a recount.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 15, 2007 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we really let them off the hook there...

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Heh

Uecker strikes again!

"It's going to be a 2-1 game..."

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Can't rip Suppan for that pitch...

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yikes!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

jeez

I may be the first guy in history to turn down the radio so I can listen to the television broadcast. Uecker is way off on these calls tonight.

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 15, 2007 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Damnit

Mlb.tv just cut out

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by hyattff2003 on Sep 15, 2007 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

prince

holla

all you got's some shiner bock and three or four chords

by somethingvague on Sep 15, 2007 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That would be the record

Congrats princey. You get a ham

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by hyattff2003 on Sep 15, 2007 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

nice work princer!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

go cards!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Is it wrong that I laughed when that throw

from Hart bounced off of Suppan's chest?

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

Is it wrong that Estrada turned the guy he was next to and said "I would've gotten out of the way of that?"

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eesh

I guess Suppan won't be tried at first base anytime soon.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sheesh

It looked like it that could have tied the game.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Or put them ahead

I can count, I think.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Coffey ran in from the bullpen

like someone told him they left a donut on the mound for him.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Heh

He did that last night too. I think it's time someone has decaffeinated Coffey...

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait

did I miss Coffey and doughnuts?

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 15, 2007 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Miller!

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 7:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Beer (Miller) trumps Coffee!

Every time, right?

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

damian!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Think Hardy bats 8th in 2008?

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I love it

3-2 count, 2 outs...

FSN picked a perfect time to put up Damian Miller's career stolen base numbers, huh?

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

We're going to have to keep winning until the Cubs

have to play someone other than the Cards, then hope we can make up the 2 games later on. I just hope St. Louis plays this lousy when we head down there next week.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Tony Gwynn sighting...

walking down to the clubhouse over Ned's shoulder.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

McBeth on to pitch for the Reds...

...signifying nothing.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well

This inning is getting ugly quick.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

And here comes Shouse

Good start, Jeff. Too bad about the seventh.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sucks that guy scored

3 runs, one unearned and one given up after he left. Too bad.

Ned's having fun with his two good lefties tonight.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cubs 3, Cards 3

Yadier Molina doubles in two runners with one out in the bottom of the third. Spiezio singles him in on the next pitch.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Cards 4, Cubs 3

Miguel Cairo plates Scott Spiezio on a triple off reliever Michael Wuertz with two outs in the third.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

King

Pray he gets Dunn here because McClung's warming up in the pen and will probably be called on if Dunn reaches. Eep.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Woo!

Strikeout swinging is always a good way to end an inning.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

YEAH RAY!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Huntsville 3, Montgomery 1

Our AA kids are in the bottom of fifth inning in Huntsville.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Gee

There's mosquitoes here, too, I guess.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i was thinking the same thing

by Zel123 on Sep 15, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ugh

The plate, Derrick, the plate. It's that oddly shaped white thing on the ground.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Double switch

Nix wouldn't have had to come into the game here if Ned had just put Counsell in the ninth spot and Turnbow in the third spot to start the inning. Weird.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think Ned's got a crush on Nix.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even so

It's just weird that you wouldn't double-switch when you brought Counsell in, isn't it?

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Beyond Weird.

This is wildly speculative, but I don't think he thought of it until he went to his cards on realizing he might have to pull T-Bow before the inning was over.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or maybe this, upon reflection

If Turnbow pitches his inning without problems you can send someone who is better with the bat than Counsell up for him in the bottom of the inning, whereas by double-switching you lock yourself in with Counsell.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That makes more sense...

... until you remember that when he was forced to make the call, he went with Nix. (Again.) Despite the strikeout, he may be right and I may be wrong, but I would have gone with just about anyone else. I haven't seen anything out of Nix to suggest that he's going to be an effective pinch hitter this season, but Yost keeps running him out there in some fairly crucial situations.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

When he had to make the call it was for defense and I would guess Nix is a better option there than the other outfielders on the bench (Mench? Stocker?). Maybe not offensively, but with a lead I suppose defense is more important.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is Gwynn Jr. still nursing that hamstring then?

Because if he's healthy, I doubt Nix is a better defensive replacement than Gwynn Jr.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

But I did forget Gwynn was also in the dugout. Hmm.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know either.

But I have been a bit curious why Nix seems to come off the bench so often when others who have some demonstrated success at this level, like Gwynn Jr., Hall or even Dillon, are available. It is true that Hall has been getting pinch hit opportunities on a regular basis. Just that they usually come after Nix has his.

Cards won, by the way. Back to a one game deficit. 9-7 gets you 84 wins, which might be enough to win the division assuming the Cubs aren't going to win 4 out of 5 the rest of the way.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My theory

I think Yost is trying to keep a few big bats in reserve. Or, he just likes Nix, and keeps wondering if he could get away with benching Hart for Nix next year.

by drezdn on Sep 15, 2007 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he wants to make Marty cry

The thought of a Nix/Hall platoon in center next year should do it, huh?

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

9-6 I mean.

Since there's only 15 games left rather than 16. I don't think it's likely at this point that less than 84 wins will secure the division, and it might take more. Though with this race, you never know, I suppose.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 16, 2007 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i was wondering the same thing...

cause if we have gwynn healthy i would have had him in there defensively.

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't back this up

But I remember either reading somewhere or hearing on a broadcast that they're resting him until sometime next week (Monday?).

by drezdn on Sep 15, 2007 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i cant wait till he is back...

i hae more confidence in him than most of the bullpen...

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs! What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Coco! Beware!

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I swear to God Votto

has pulled his foot off the bag early about 3 times tonight. He's very cavalier about stepping off the bag the instant he gets the throw, and I'm convinced he's actually pulled it early at least once.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Got to love insurance runs...

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

And of course since Hardy hit a homerun...

... BA is contractually required to mention that Hardy has never hit more than 12 HRs at any level before this year.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Huntsville

Still clinging to their 3-1 lead after seven innings, trying to tie the best of five championship series with Montgomery at two.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

There's Bill, Marty.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Alright

Let's be managerial. Now it's a two-run lead. Say Cordero goes out there and is wild to open the inning. Do you leave it in his hands or do you go to the pen? If you go to the pen, who do you bring in?

Remember, the guys left out there are Aquino, McClung, Spurling, Stetter, Vargas and Wise.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'd lean towards keeping Coco in anyway,

but the list of alternatives clinches it. If you've got to hook him for some reason, I'd probably go to Wise or Aquino, in that order, but I wouldn't be happy about either one. Stetter is momentarily interesting with Griffey batting 2nd and Dunn 4th, but I don't think he's ready for prime time.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 15, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Huntsville up 4-1

Going to the top of the ninth.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Huntsville wins!

Josh Asanovich strikes out to end the game and Huntsville forces a do-or-die game 5 in the Southern League Championship Series.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where's roguejim and his flag?

Final score: Cards 4, Cubs 3

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

AWESOME! I heart the Cardinals!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 15, 2007 10:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Question pour les trolls

If you're a Cubs fan during a pennant race and your team splits a doubleheader, how do you decide the proper level of panic to feel? I mean, if the Cubs sweep then you feel ecstatic and make grandiose claims of superiority and if they lose both you throw all your Cubs stuff in a garbage bag and either burn it or take it out to the street, right? If it's a split do you just have to decide whether to torch your jersey or your hat? Does it matter if they lose the first or second game?

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2007 11:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Fortuantely

The Cubs lost the second game, meaning we can keep the flag raised until tomorrow. (Which sounds like a Cialis euphemism if I ever heard one.)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 15, 2007 11:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm

It seems the n and the a have switched spots. I'll have to have a talk to them about that.

It's weird to be in a division title race and also barely able to stay above .500.

The Dew Deck is kind of a fun place to watch a game, but you're pretty far from the action, so it's not as involving. It's like you're watching the game on a really realistic television.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

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