Game Thread #149: Milwaukee (76-72) at Houston (65-84)

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 17, 2007 5:27 PM CDT Comment 118 comments

"You mean you can't take less. It's very easy to take more than nothing."

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Yovani Gallardo goes up against Matt Albers, but the real news is that the Menchkins platoon is officially dead. In a move that demonstrates Ned Yost has entirely embraced the voodoo of "hot hand" lineup composition, Joltin' Joe Dillon appears in left field, bringing his lifetime .299/.322/.448 hitting line to the second spot in the lineup. That may be only 90 plate appearances, but they tell the whole story to Ned.

2B Rickie Weeks
LF Joe Dillon
3B Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
CF Corey Hart
LF Gabe Gross
C Johnny Estrada
SS J.J. Hardy
RHP Yovani Gallardo

It makes you wonder....if there is no hot hand, who starts?

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Just imagine

He could run out a Gross, Dillon, Hardy, Fielder, Hart, Estrada, Braun, Weeks lineup. That'd be lovely.

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

LOL

"Joltin'" Joe....nice

by iluvlamp on Sep 17, 2007 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

hmmmm

I hate to offload blame, but I copied and pasted that lineup from the jsonline blog, and so I'm not sure what to make of Gross and Dillon sharing left field. At this point, I'm willing to believe that's correct, and Ned is playing a hunch that no balls will travel to right field tonight.

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 17, 2007 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

thats so funny...

and totally to be expected from the stellar coverage over there at mjs...

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs??? What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 17, 2007 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I prefer "Cowhide Killin'" Joe Dillon.

Or something of that manner

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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Sep 17, 2007 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Umm

Do you really want to think of Ned Yost going past Dillon's locker and saying "You're with me, Leather?"

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Assuming Gross is in right

This probably is the worst defensive lineup we can trot out there. Maybe a Counsell for Hardy switch but Hardy hasn't been great defensively this year. I actually am not completely against the lineup but I do wish Gross was batting second. He has far superior on base skills than Dillon.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

anyone know what our record is...

with estrada starting vs miller starting?

cant believe joe is in there starting again? i am so puzzled.

tgj must still be hurt, right???

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs??? What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 17, 2007 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You know

something's up when he will even bump Gross down. I'm with Marty- free Billy Hall!

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by The Prospector on Sep 17, 2007 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I just thought of this

"Unleash Hall." I'm awesome.

"Shabbat shalom, motherfuckers" - Ryan Braun

by The Prospector on Sep 17, 2007 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

rent a stand

I'd buy a shirt

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 17, 2007 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

FREE BILL HALL

seriously, ned...

all you got's some shiner bock and three or four chords

by somethingvague on Sep 17, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ps

he's been willing to wait three years for ricky to come around, and now bill has to ride the pine for joe dillon and gabe gross?

all you got's some shiner bock and three or four chords

by somethingvague on Sep 17, 2007 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He kind of wasn't

Rickie was sent to AAA for a while.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you want him to play

give a plea to bill hall. He's the one who needs to be playing better. He hit 35 bombs last year. If we could get any kind of glimpse of that power, maybe he'd be playing more.

by Zel123 on Sep 17, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hard

to get a glimpse of the riding the pine

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by The Prospector on Sep 17, 2007 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

of that*

"Shabbat shalom, motherfuckers" - Ryan Braun

by The Prospector on Sep 17, 2007 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

FREE JULIO MACHADO

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice job by Weeks

Again. Getting on any way possible. Now Dillon gets a chance to cement his new job.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

although i do have to say

ricky's on-base skills this year have really started to make me like him again. i can deal with him hitting .230 if he's getting on base .370.

all you got's some shiner bock and three or four chords

by somethingvague on Sep 17, 2007 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ugh

Rickie out by a mile there.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

COREY!!!

all you got's some shiner bock and three or four chords

by somethingvague on Sep 17, 2007 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Arroyo works out of a jam

1st and 3rd one out and he gets Ramirez to strike out and then Floyd to get out of it.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

1-0 Reds

On a grounder by Hopper. Arroyo has a pretty low pitch count through the first two innings but the Cubs have had a runner at 3rd in both.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good job by Dillon there

Holding him to a single.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You mean

2008 starting left fielder, Joltin' Joe Dillon!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 17, 2007 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would it be terrible if he was the rightie

in a platoon?

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gallardo really up in the zone today

Not exactly the park for that.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Berkman was like that in our last series

I mean I thought he went on strike two but he probably was just upset the home plate ump called it. Then he looks at a pitch right on the corner for strike three. You have to be swinging at that with two runners on and a 0-2 count.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

2-1 cubs

This time Floyd doesn't miss.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Prince

some big swings so far tonight.

by molitorfan on Sep 17, 2007 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Excellent

Lets end this one quickly.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice at bat by Estrada.

Good for you, Newman.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 17, 2007 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It sure would be nice to give Coc a day off

After having to go more than one inning the last two nights.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hmm.

I assume we're not rendering "Coc" phoenetically, or there'd be a whole other meaning to that comment.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 17, 2007 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

typing is hard

And my firefox extension doesn't spell check the subject line for some reason.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

5-0

If this were almost any other team, I'd be feeling pretty confident right now.

But it's not, and I'm not.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 17, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

reds have the cubs on the ropes

by Bigdogg2002 on Sep 17, 2007 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

tied up

by keephopealive on Sep 17, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

and Dunn up with runners at 1st and 3rd.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

4-3 reds

go go go.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

looks like

it will be back and forth the rest of the night.

by molitorfan on Sep 17, 2007 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hill out

That is good news with all the lefties in the Reds lineup.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WTG YoGa

pitching out of trouble

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 17, 2007 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not to jinx it...

... but we're getting back into 1st place tonight baby. I can feel it.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 17, 2007 8:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

St. Louis

I hope they're still swooning when we get them next week.

by drezdn on Sep 17, 2007 8:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Phillies too

I'd like the phillies to fall back so San Diego has the wild card wrapped up when we play them.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

cubs tied it

man on 3rd 2 out

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by Brooks Kieschnick on Sep 17, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

damn arroyo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs??? What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 17, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

4-4 cubs

another 2 out hit.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

guess it could have been worse...

come on cincin!

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs??? What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 17, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dillon

Nice catch... Is Jenkins getting nervous?

by drezdn on Sep 17, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I would be if I were him.

Dillon for Jenks is only a notch less likely than Gross for Hall once seemed.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 17, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

did mlbtv just crash

for anyone else?

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by Brooks Kieschnick on Sep 17, 2007 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yup. but it happens all the time...

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs??? What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 17, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

got it back

down for a couple of minutes

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by Brooks Kieschnick on Sep 17, 2007 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

me too...

still much better than last year and the year before, etc. ive watched on mlbtv since the first year like 5 years ago???

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs??? What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 17, 2007 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah not good today

But overall I am very happy with it.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it seems to crash firefox more

than safari, but firefox is smoother- oh yea- nobody uses mac.

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by Brooks Kieschnick on Sep 17, 2007 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

try opera

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

havent heard of it

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by Brooks Kieschnick on Sep 17, 2007 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cincy 5 flubs 4!!!!!!!!!!

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by Brooks Kieschnick on Sep 17, 2007 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

6-4

I love you Junior.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Billy and Jenkins in

Going with the defense.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Counsell for Braun

also

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by Brooks Kieschnick on Sep 17, 2007 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It doesn't seem like Gallardo is on today

Missing his spots. Keeping the ball up. But still putting up zeros.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

and a pretty low pitch count

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

88 pitches for Yo

Send him out for another inning?

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

play to win

the way we have been going through the arms in the pen lately- let him go one more.
getem jenks

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by Brooks Kieschnick on Sep 17, 2007 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you?

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by Brooks Kieschnick on Sep 17, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I take him out

5 run lead and going to need him for his next few starts.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my worry

Is that the Astros have been getting hits off of them. So far he's managed to get out of it, but I don't want him to have a bad 8th.

by drezdn on Sep 17, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just back from Milwaukee...

Back in Denver. Took my 10-month-old daughter to her first baseball game Saturday night at Miller Park. The Crew won, Fielder set the homer record, probably the best night of the year for me.

That homer by the way, frozen rope, I don't think Griffey even bothered to take a step.

by 108st on Sep 17, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Cool

I hope she enjoyed it too. ;)

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

awesome!

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs??? What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 17, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hart

admiring his pop fly a little long there.

by drezdn on Sep 17, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Whoa

Five runs and no home runs (only two extra base hits!) in the game? What team IS this?

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Estrada still swings at the first pitch

its the Brewers

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by Brooks Kieschnick on Sep 17, 2007 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soriano doubles with one out

Arroyo looks cooked but who do you go to in that pen?

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

apparently Mejewski

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by Brooks Kieschnick on Sep 17, 2007 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he gets it done

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, that sucks for them

Soriano out at third on a fielder's choice to short...

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hah

Aquino. It's his, um, side session, uh...right? Ned?

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

two runs down in the 7th

trying to keep the explosive red offense off the board lou goes to.... Kevin Hart.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hart hasn't been awful though

Not that it's a great move, but it's better than, say, anyone in the Reds pen.

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but he has so many better choices

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently

The Reds are playing the rest of the game under protest?

All I could find was something about Lou P. crossing the line to make a switch before informing the ump.

by drezdn on Sep 17, 2007 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

nice

It is time to go to the pen.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Has anyone ever sat in the Gehl Club?

Whats in there? Is there a bar? How are the seats set up? Any help would be greatly appreciated

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by hyattff2003 on Sep 17, 2007 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey

I heard Sheets is pitching tomorrow on 3 days rest. That's what was said on Baseball Tonight.

I know he only threw 50 pitches in his last outing, and I know being healthy for the playoffs doesn't matter if we don't MAKE the playoffs, but really.... is this smart?

by Matt L on Sep 17, 2007 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ned thinks...

his stuff will be better on 3 days rest. Pushing Bush to 5 days as well.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok time for the pen.

Can't let them get back in this and have to use Cordero.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wha-wha-WHA?

Aquino was up the in the bullpen and a runner reached and he sat back down for better relievers?? Was Ned ejected or something? Doesn't he just usually leave whoever's up throwing out there until he has to take the current pitcher out?

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Stetter

So, who's in in the ninth? My guess is Stetter.

by drezdn on Sep 17, 2007 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

So Linebrink for the 9th?

I'd like to use a decent relieve but not Cordero or Turnbow here.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It better not be Shouse

I didn't budget for a situation like this in calculating his total appearances for the year.

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Plus

I'm worried Shouse will suffer from the Onmilwaukee.com curse.

by drezdn on Sep 17, 2007 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh oh

He was written up in the Brewers' little program magazine thing about the time he flamed out last year, too, wasn't he?

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Spurling

I can handle that.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Mench + LHP = Happy Times

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Kevin Mench

With the clutch Homerun he forgot to get on Friday.

by drezdn on Sep 17, 2007 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Going to the 8th

6-4 reds still.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 17, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Spurling

No complaints (yet).

by drezdn on Sep 17, 2007 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Gallardo

He just made the team's first eight-inning start since July 27. Kudos if you can think of who made the last one without looking it up.

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm...

I'm pretty sure it's either Bush or Vargas. I'm going to go with Vargas.

by drezdn on Sep 17, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, Vargas

Capuano had the one before that four days previous.

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2007 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soup

by Burt Doyle on Sep 17, 2007 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was about to call for the Klingon

but it's Spurling.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

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