The Ben Sheets Injury Du Jour

by roguejim on Sep 18, 2007 10:25 PM CDT in News Comment 74 comments

Well, Ben Sheets started, and we're now in first place...but it's what happened in between that has everyone concerned.

Big Ben left today's game in the second inning with tightness in his left hamstring. Vargas came in to win it for the Crew, and catapulted us into first place by ourselves. (Sure, the standings say the the Crew and Cubs have a .520 winning percentage, but theirs is really .5197.)

Call this an open thread for Sheets' injury. Hear anything new, post it here, preferably with a link.

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Yost

says it was "just a cramp".

by kgaul on Sep 18, 2007 10:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh

Well then it must be true. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 18, 2007 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i've had it

i feel embarrassed to have a guy like ben sheets put on the brewers uniform, i want him off the team and hopefully pitching for the yomuri giants or whatever city has the giants in japan.

i know it's extreme but i have no patience for a guy who makes 9 million a year and doesn't have the discipline to stretch his leg muscles on a daily basis. it would take me 392 years to earn what he makes in one year and he gets to sit on his ass and make smartass comments to his teammates while pissing and moaning about a fuckin blister/muscle cramp, it's bullshit. i hope he never throws another pitch in a brewers uniform.

by Tick on Sep 18, 2007 10:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not so fast my friend

I too am frustrated with Sheets getting hurt but there is no denying the effect he has on the team. With him active we are (I think) 64-51 and 14-21 when he's on the DL.

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by The Prospector on Sep 18, 2007 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i hope

he throws a ton more pitches for us. why wouldnt you want him to throw for us? when healthy he is the best pitcher on this team. maybe it will turn out to be nothing, but do you think they would risk him staying out there to make it worse? the last thing we need would be for him to damage it more and be out for the playoffs. we all know we are gona need a healthy sheets to make it far in the playoffs.

by DoubleJ235 on Sep 18, 2007 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how many years?

So according to your calculations you make about $22,959 a year... but the fact that you probably watch the games on TV, and perhaps go to a few games a year, you are responsible for that salary... there is a high demand for major league pitchers with an ERA below 4.

I am sick of people complaining how much players make, and then say how much more they make, and how if they were in that spot they would do x (stretch more, give more to charity, not get in trouble, never get injured). I don't think people in general understand how hard it is to get to the majors, and be an ace for a staff. It is not as if anyone could do it.

by Kyguy922 on Sep 19, 2007 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey

This entry is currently sixth on the list when you search "ben sheets" on Google News. Way to be a journalist, roguejim.

If only we could get your flag to permanently be at the top for "Chicago Cubs" searches...

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by TheJay on Sep 18, 2007 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That's because

I was wearing my hat that has the little "PRESS" badge in it.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 18, 2007 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Geez

Some syndicate filed a story I guess because now it's down to page 6. Alas, it was neat while it lasted.

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by TheJay on Sep 18, 2007 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

www.softpussies.com

Man that link probably exists:) If not Benny should acquire it.

by iluvlamp on Sep 18, 2007 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of Aces

Just to show how smart Cub fans are, when Carlos Zambrano was removed from the game tonight, the Cub fans gave him a standing ovation. Here was his pitching line:

5.1 innings, 4 runs, 3 bb's, and 1 k

The Cubs were losing 4-2 when he came out, Why are they cheering this performance, let alone giving him a standing O?

by Zel123 on Sep 18, 2007 11:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

because

"I don't understand why the fans were booing at me. I can't understand that. They showed me today they just care about them. That's no fair. Because when you are struggling, that's when you want to feel the support of the fans. "

so he said, when i suck, you need to cheer for me. and since he sucked, they supported him, see the cubs fans just stopped thinking about themselves, they are so noble.

by DoubleJ235 on Sep 18, 2007 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

low standards...

...based on years of conditioning :).

Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Sep 18, 2007 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because he made it from the mound to the dugout

without flipping them the bird.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 18, 2007 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

When you've dumped a bunch of money on someone who hasn't started rewarding it yet, you have to cheer the little things. It's kind of like when Suppan goes seven innings and gives up three or four runs. Not great, not really worth the $300K or whatever each of his starts the next four years cost, but cheer-worthy because it's not a total waste of money. At least, that's my theory.

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by TheJay on Sep 18, 2007 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

More on Ben's injury

from the mlb.com site. Here's an alarming tidbit:

What concerned Sheets was it hadn't gone away 30 minutes after the game ended.

"I feel it a little bit still," he said frowning. "That's what makes me not know if it's just a cramp or not."

Yost's press conference was about 15 minutes after the game ended, FWIW.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 18, 2007 11:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

crap.

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs??? What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 19, 2007 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would rather have himn come out early

I would rather have him come out early then risk more injury.

Yea - it sucks but what can you do ?????

Baseball is always a gamble and Sheets is one of those guys that has problems with injuries. I'm sure when they spent the money they took that into account.

I'm sure all of you Sheet haters would have been whining if we let sheets go to the Cubs for 40 mil.

by Grinder12000 on Sep 19, 2007 6:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i'm pretty sure

when they signed him he didn't have a history of injuries. also, i really like ben sheets and would like him to stay in the rotation, just frustrated as every fan.

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by Michael M on Sep 19, 2007 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My take on sheets

Like everyone, I am frustrated by his rash of injuries. Now that we have Gallardo on the squad, he's officially the Second most talented pitcher on the team. However, that being said, we are not going to outbid anyone for Santana, and there really aren't any options coming out or up for that matter that are better that Ben. Therefore, we are stuck with his injuries, but we also get his performance, which is pretty damn good.

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by hyattff2003 on Sep 19, 2007 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

exactly my setiments

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by Michael M on Sep 19, 2007 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i hesitate to bring this up

but the only thing i'm surprised about is that nobody has brought ned pitching him on 3 days rest.

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Sep 19, 2007 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That's true

I forgot about the short rest.

How did he look in the first inning? Was he pitching any differently because of the injury?

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 19, 2007 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not sure

i missed the first few innings but it sounded like it was similar to his previous few outings.

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Sep 19, 2007 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's weird though

OK, everybody, get out your tinfoil hats.

On September 3rd, he surrendered 6 walks in 6 innings against the lowly Astros. This is remarkable for anyone, but astounding for Sheets: after all, in 2006, he gave up only 11 walks all year. (Admittedly, last season was cut in half by injury, but that's still 106 innings.)

But since that game on September 3rd, he's given up 11 earned runs in 10 innings over 3 starts.

For the season, he's surrendered more walks than the last two season combined, and his WHIP and K/9 stats are way off his pace from the last three seasons. (He's already walked more than in his career year of 2004, in almost 100 fewer innings.)

In seven seasons, his stats form a near-perfect sine wave: 3 years of somewhat steady improvement from 2001-2003, career year of 2004, and now three years of injury and decline from 2005-2007. His 3.83 ERA and 1.21 WHIP this season are very close to his seven-year averages of 3.82 and 1.24.

Soooo...what? Probably nothing. If you're a Sheets optimist, you say that the injuries tend to be freak ones not related to to age or his arm, but they prevented him from establishing any sort of rhythm. If you're a pessimist, you say that Sheets --- who turns 30 next season --- is falling apart and on the downside of his career, and we should trade him before he loses his value (a la Kerry Wood). At the very least, we should move him to a relief pitcher (also a la Kerry Wood), maybe even a 2008 closer (a la Ryan Dempster).

I am a little puzzled by the hamstring injury, though. In the two starts before last night, he was clearly off his game, and you can make the case that the 6 BBs/6 IP start was atypical as well. Last night, he gives up a double and a single in the first inning, which certainly suggests that we were in for a start similar to his last one, and he leaves...due to a hamstring injury?!?!

It sure seems like there's something wrong with him. Maybe he rushed back from his finger problem too soon, maybe it's something else. But I doubt a hamstring has been the cause of his September woes thus far, and I have suspicions about last night too. (It's not like the Brewers have a recent history of being forthcoming with injuries.)

I wonder. I bet there's soemthing else wrong with him than just a cramping hamstring. Let's go to Houston and beat it out of Ned Yost. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 19, 2007 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

At the very least, we should move him to a relief pitcher (also a la Kerry Wood)...

It's easier to find a guy who can pitch one inning at a time than it is to find a guy who can pitch over half a game, even if he's hurt a lot. I think the Brewers are in kind of an alright spot with Sheets: if he comes back next year, stays healthy and pitches well, they can either re-sign him or make a big trade. If he keeps getting hurt, they can trade him (probably for less) or just let him walk.

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by TheJay on Sep 19, 2007 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just to be clear

That's part of the pessimist's view. I'm not sure what you do with him, though the most reasonable course is probably to keep starting him as long as he's effective, and then try to figure out what kind of value that kind of picther offers. (Or if the recent spate of injuries is likely to recur.)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 19, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The thing is

He was hitting 96 on the gun. Normally when he has been smacked around early it is because he is in the upper 80's or low 90's early. It is a lot harder to pitch the way Sheets does when you don't have the velocity. Even though he gave up that early run I was relatively optimistic because it appeared he had the fastball working at least.

The walks this year are another story. I have mentioned his (relative) lack of command several times this year and that is something I am very concerned about going forward. Ben put up great numbers because he basically walked nobody and struck out a ton of batters. Just ask Jeff he had that great article on HBT about that. His K's are down a good amount, his walks are up a good amount, he just doesn't seem to be the same pitcher. His FIP thinks he is middle of the road at best and maybe his ERA just hasn't caught up to his other numbers.

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by dixieflatline on Sep 19, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to be an a$$hole but...

do you think maybe he was on the juice at some point and now he's off?

by antbogey on Sep 19, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt he was juicing....

but the types of injuries he keeps getting, groin, hammy,etc. I wonder if he does a poor job of keeping himself in shape. And not just keeping the fat off, I mean things pitchers must do like stretching, agility work, arm care, things like that.

by Clue Haywood on Sep 19, 2007 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am all about

going to houton and beating Ned. Not so much to get Sheets info out of him, just for funzies

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by hyattff2003 on Sep 19, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Funzies?

I'd do it for Funyuns, and I don't even like them.

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by TheJay on Sep 19, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No one likes funyons

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by hyattff2003 on Sep 20, 2007 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not sure if this is new...

Asked if he expected Sheets to take his next turn, Yost said, "I think he will. We got it early. He didn't pull it. He just cramped up."
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=664188

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by msoebrewcrewfan on Sep 19, 2007 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The thing that bothers me most about this

is that it never seems to be his arm. Blister, groin, hamstring, earache, back, etc. It's very frustrating, and it's almost like I'd prefer him needing elbow surgery or something to justify the missed time.

In my opinion, the Brewers should at least STRONGLY consider moving Ben this offseason. The return should be high as he was still an All-Star this year. The definitely won't outbid on th FA market, so a midseason resigning next year is the only way we keep him IMHO.

So, let's just throw out 16M a year, maybe more maybe less....but around there. Then let's say in 2009, when the Crew is on the hook for all that money, his elbow/shoulder blows out or something. Won't the public opinion be, "who didn't see that coming? Why the heck did you sign a guy w/ that injury track record?"

We're improving drastically, but when it all boils down we are still a small market team. When we are trying to push for the postseason in our 2-5 year window, we can't afford to commit that kind of coin to a guy w/ Benny's injury history. Plus, if we are going to use that money down the road, I'd much rather spend it on the younger guys on the team. (I realize the "kids" aren't FA's; I'm just saying "down the road".)

Forgive the negativity and length, I'm just frustrated that this was billed as the biggest start of his career, and he hurts himself in warm-ups. I've got Gallardo as my "ACE" right now....

If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

by Adam P on Sep 19, 2007 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Pitchers

A decent pitcher is worth his weight in gold. What are you going to trade him for, a hitter?

If you have a good pitcher you keep him. Always. Unless you can get a better pitcher.

Look at the hitters the Brewers have churned out in the past 5 years:

Fielder
Braun
Weeks
Hardy
Hart
Hall

Now look at the pitchers:

Gallardo

That is why the Brewers spent $10 million per year on Suppan. Because decent pitchers are hard to find.

by grant76 on Sep 19, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Suppan pitches everyday....

Would be my argument to that. Look, I love Sheets. I just think that next year we can go with Suppan, Gallardo, Villanueva, Bush/Vargas, & maybe some other pitcher. If that hitter that we trade for is a marquis outfielder, and we are able to use the money we saved on Benny to add/keep guys in the bullpen, I'm Ok w/ that staff.

Perhaps I should just sleep on this one more day and see if I still feel the same way. It could be my "Sheets Shock" talking.....

If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

by Adam P on Sep 19, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still disagree

...maybe some other pitcher

This is the problem. You would need a 5th starter. And because no staff stays completely healthy, you would need a 6th or maybe 7th starter throughout the season.

Hitting is not the problem for the Brewers. I know they could use a left fielder, but pitching has been a far weaker spot for the Brewers.

The 2006 season, is a glaring example of what happens when you don't have a 6th and 7th guy. Sheets and Ohka go down and the Crew falls apart.

Give me Sheets for 25 starts and some other scrub for his other 10 any day. Its better than some other scrub pitching all 35.

by grant76 on Sep 19, 2007 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

totally agree

The old addage still rings true, pitching wins championships.

by Zel123 on Sep 19, 2007 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Overall I agree w/ you guys

and i think we should/will keep him. However, there were some things I'd like to point out in your replies that I found....troubling.

"The 2006 season, is a glaring example....Sheets and Ohka go down...."

So....you're using his injuries last year & this year to make me feel better about him not getting injured next year? How's that work....?

"You would need a 5th starter..."

I named 5 pitchers, i just happened to put a slash between two of them (I guess that one's my bad.) I agree we'd need a 6th/7th starter, but c'mon, we can get that tomorrow....Parra maybe?

"Give me Sheets for 25 starts and some other scrub for his other 10 any day"

Well, that's pretty much what's been happening, isn't it? The problem with the 2006 season that you alluded to was that the "scrub" was like 0-10 in Sheets rotation spot. I'll tell you what, I'll take Suppan or Vargas in 35 starts VS. your Sheets(25)/Scrub(10) staff. In '09 my staff will be cheaper, and your scrub is starting 0-10 if 2006 is an indication. Plus, remember that Sheets is going to cost us a ton (I suggested 16M perv; don't know how accurate that is). If or payroll increases to 80M, that would be 20% of the total payroll. I'm sure we can find a #3-#5 for less.....

Again, I think we'll keep him. I just want it to be considered.

If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

by Adam P on Sep 19, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rest assured,

I meant 16M per, and not 16M perv. That would be gross.

If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

by Adam P on Sep 19, 2007 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trading him in offseason doesn't make sense

Why not give him the first half of next year. When he's healthy, he's still their best pitcher and would not be replaced immediately if traded during the offseason. If he pitches to his potential, you worry about resigning him next year. If not, you trade midseason, but at least you have gotten one half of a season out of him.

by PDUBS1216 on Sep 19, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But if he gets injured next year,

then what? I agree with all of your scenarios, but what if he's hurt again? Then what....can't trade him then.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable by suggesting he might be injured next year.

If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

by Adam P on Sep 19, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree.

if we trade ben; he will become amazing and super healthy. former brewers always get better it seems... i say we hold on to him till his contract is almost up. he is still pretty awesome when he is on his game.

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs??? What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 19, 2007 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Somewhere Dan Kolb is crying

former brewers always get better it seems...

"Why not ME!?," he sobs.

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by TheJay on Sep 19, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

...and Dante Bichette is smiling...

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs??? What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 19, 2007 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha, touché

I just liked imagining Dan Kolb crying, is all.

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by TheJay on Sep 19, 2007 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right after the Reds game where they

hit the 6 home runs to cover a so so outing by Sheets Baseball tonight did a thing showing something Sheets was doing(opening up his shoulder or something like that I am too much of a baseball cave man to understand it all I never pitched) but it came down to when he was trying to throw in his normal speed range mid 90's he could not hit the strike zone so he had to slow down to maintain control.

I know he was hitting 96 last night but could he having mechanical issues as he tries to find his old speeds. And if he is having to slow down to find the zone could that explain why he is getting slapped around lately.

Or am I totally out to lunch(it would not surprise me)

Be gentle I am not all that bright ;)

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by WSB Chris on Sep 19, 2007 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Isn't that a pretty typical thing

that Scroeder always says. Something to the effect of, "When your mechanics get messed up you don't just see arm injuries, but leg injuries to because the timing is off on your whole delivery."

....or something like that. Maybe there's a little something to that here....

If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

by Adam P on Sep 19, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait!

Rock said something intelligent?

Hey Ned! Ever heard of small ball? Or are your balls too small?

by CATALYST on Sep 19, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't laugh

I find him MUCH less annoying with BA than I did with Daron Sutton. Plus he knows how to glaze a mean chicken, as Jamie will attest. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 19, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is a fantastic post Chris

I really, really, really, wish we had more PITCHf/x outings for Sheets as we could just go back and find the answer. It would be so easy to check games were his fastball was down and see if he was missing the zone.

I have a feeling you (and the baseball tonight crew) may be right on with this one. That might be a first for the baseball tonight crew by the way. The way Sheets pitches saying here is the fastball now hit it just can't be done if you are throwing 90 MPH.

Maybe that opening of his shoulder had to do with his legs bothering him maybe not. In any case it will be interesting to see if Ned gives him his regular 4 days rest after this one. You could agree that he should pitch tomorrow and the 12 pitches yesterday should count as a side session. Somehow I doubt that will happen though :)

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by dixieflatline on Sep 19, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I heard

Sheets injured his leg playing Fantasy Football.

by drezdn on Sep 19, 2007 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

According to the Journal

Sheets is going to be examined in Milwaukee, which means it is probably more than a cramp.

by drezdn on Sep 19, 2007 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Good catch

Here's the link:

Houston - Brewers ace Ben Sheets will return to Milwaukee to have an MRI on his injured left hamstring Thursday as well as be examined by team physician William Raasch.

Sheets is scheduled to rejoin the team Thursday night in Atlanta but his next start remains in jeopardy. His next scheduled turn would come Sunday in Atlanta.

[snip]

But the fact that Sheets is returning to Milwaukee to be examined suggests it no longer is considered a cramp.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 19, 2007 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this isn't good

going back to milwaukee for an examination is not a very good sign at all. i'd be shocked if he made his next start.

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Sep 19, 2007 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

If it's not a cramp or a pulled hamstring, though, what could it be?

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 19, 2007 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

pussiaitus

by Zel123 on Sep 19, 2007 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not directed at you specifically

But your comment made me laugh --- because of how ridiculous it is to have a guy sitting in front of a keyboard eating Cheetos* call a professional athlete "soft" or a pussy. Like if you met Ben Sheets in person, he couldn't find 10 fresh new ways to kick your ass. :)

*because they are the cheesiest

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 19, 2007 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Clearly

he's just trying to make a point. It's not that easy to become a major league player. Sure, there are some fat guys, but they have the right tools to make it in the bigs. Sheets may not be a world class bodybuilder or boxer, but he's in the major league and im sure has worked his butt off getting to were he's gotten

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by The Prospector on Sep 19, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wellll

We know Sheets is 6'1" and 218, and has been working out with a personal trainer and lifting weights for, what, 12-15 years? I mean, I'd be willing to bet he could kick ALL of our asses, even if he weren't armed with a baseball.

I guess I'd hesitate before I called any profesional athlete who doesn't look like John Kruk "soft."

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 19, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow,

Coming from the guy who always has a quick comment towards everything, I take your opinion as meaningless.

By the way, Im 6'2'' 175 pounds with 6 percent bodyfat and I work out everyday. Ben SHeets can pitch a baseball and that is it as far as athletic ability. I wouldn't be to afraid of him.

I can't believe Im replying to your idiotic post and I don't eat cheetos.

by Zel123 on Sep 19, 2007 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just relax

Remember, I said this wasn't directed at you personally. It's just the idea of your general sedentary blogger type calling a professional athlete soft is funny.

It's like Seth from Superbad saying "Ben Sheets is soft" while he has cheese puffs in his mouth.

Anyway, I'm sure the cheetohs people will be sad to learn that you don't endorse their product.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 20, 2007 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

apparently..

it's bad faith to boo Linebrink when he's losing a game for us, but calling our ace a pussy, and discussing whether you could beat him up is fair game.

by keephopealive on Sep 20, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

First Off...

My first comment was a joke. I could care less about fighting Ben Sheets and yes I do think that he is a wimp. The guy gets hurt doing minimal activities and it happens every single year. Im just frustrated that a guy with that kind of pitching talent is always hurt and at critical times.

By the way, I never said that I could beat up Sheets, I only said I wouldn't be afraid. Once, again, I can't believe im responding to these posts.

Let me restate, my first statement was a joke. I didnt realize that everything would be taken so seriously. Tell your best friend ben sheets that I am truly sorry for offending him on a blog site.

by Zel123 on Sep 20, 2007 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

<bock bock bock>

That's Ben Sheets calling you a chicken.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 20, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OOOOOOHHHHHH.....

You can't take that from him......KNOCK HIM OUT!

If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

by Adam P on Sep 20, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good question

i'm not a doctor, nor do i play one on tv, so i couldn't even guess but maybe something just tightened up and pretty soon it'll be loose again. but again, i think you would be able to determine that from houston and not have to fly back.

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Sep 19, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it could be more than a cramp...

but him returning to milwaukee to me doesnt mean hes really screwed up; these are big games; and they want as much info on benny as possible...

Yost puts Cordero in for more than three outs??? What a genius!!!! Manager of the year!!!

by Jamie in LA on Sep 19, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

see i dont understand the big deal

whats more valuble, suppan starting in 33 games, or sheets starting in 23 games then having someone else throw 10. ill take sheets and the random anyday.

by DoubleJ235 on Sep 19, 2007 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

the gospel according to ned:

"benny is still hopeful for sunday."

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Sep 19, 2007 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The part that wasn't printed

"...the doctors are not." - okay, okay, I'll stop being pessimistic, at least during the game.

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by TheJay on Sep 19, 2007 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think he meant

he hopes to make it to Sunday without spraining something. A week is probably a record.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 19, 2007 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hammy Strain

Per Jsonline...

The Brewers received bad news today when an MRI revealed that right-hander Ben Sheets has a slight strain of the left hamstring. The Brewers held off scratching Sheets from his scheduled start Sunday against Atlanta but it is unlikely he will make that start.

by SgtClueLs on Sep 20, 2007 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs