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The Crying Game.

The season is over, sad but true,
Ned Yost and his decisions killed our beloved Brew Crew.
Gone is the pennant, lost to the Cubs,
lost to some bitches who piss in big tubs.
Burned by our '06 all-star, broken by our fragile ace,
Buried by our big signings, who took the dough and put stand-ins in their place.
So we'll take our bright spots, our ROY and our MVP,
leave Ned at the bus station, and hire Joe Girardi,
Send Jenkins packing, let Estrada jog his fat-ass somewhere else,
We'll be back in '08 to take the NL Central Pennant, like a mafioso cartel.

It's official.
WE HAVE BEEN YOSTED.

[editor's note, by Jeff] Worth a bump, don't you think?

Star-divide

I'm conceding. Unless the hand of god offers up a miracle, we've lost the Central to the fucking Cubs. Ah well. I'm not totally down in the dumps though. There were a lot of good things that came out of this season.


Here's some of my favorites:

  • Gallardo. Our new ace... And for many years to come.
  • Braun. What more needs to be said?
  • Prince. Sure will be fun to watch him and Braun go at it for MVP next season.
  • Villanueva. Great out of the 'pen, but better as a starter?
  • Cordero. Had his slip ups, but was dominant for most of the year.
  • Hart. Don't kid yourself. No one called a 20/20 guy here before the season.
  • JJ. Don't kid yourself here either. No one called 25+ HRs for this guy.

  • And now for the disappointments:

  • Jenkins. Pure ugliness.
  • Sheets. Our beloved Kerry Wood/Mark Prior.
  • Hall. Money gone to his head?
  • Suppan. See: Hall.
  • Estrada. Seemed like a steal for Doug Davis, but can this guy get any fatter and slower?
  • Linebrink. Will the real Slim Scotty please stand up?
  • Turnbow. Just as inconsistent as ever.
  • Koskie. Is his head ever going to be right?

  • And my hopes for next year:
    - Outfield is:
    (internal move) Hall, Gywnn, Hart
    (external move) Hall, Andruw Jones, Hart
    - Catcher is:
    (internal move) Rivera everyday
    (external move) You'd have to trade for someone. [no handsome FAs in my opinion]
    - Closer is:
    (internal move) Cordero if he'll take what we can offer
    (external move) Trade for Scot Shields
    - Callups include:
    LaPorta (I know I'm reaching)

    AND (drum roll please)
    - Manager is:
    NOT NED YOST
    (external move): Girardi or LaRussa
    (internal move): Kremblas or Yount
    (surprise move): Tony Gwynn Sr.?

    OKAY. And now, if our miracle doesn't happen, who are you guys going to support in the playoffs? It looks like it's going to be Red Sox, Yankees, Indians, Angels, Mets, Cubs, Diamondbacks, Padres.


    I will be supporting the Angels and Mets because I love their styles of play (which I wish we played in Milwaukee).  It's just so much damn fun watching fast teams who pound hits and steal bases.


    [[ I expect the barrage of opposition, so let it fly ]]

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    i like the poem
    but, i don't think billy's struggles have to do with money and perhaps more so adjusting to playing center every day.  at least that's what i hope.  
    suppan, also, while he could be inconsistent, has never missed a start (so, i don't quite get the standin line or money one) i mean, we all or most of us knew suppan was most likely overpaid and that he was an average pitcher.  after all, we got him for his presence and experience for the postseason.
    i don't know why, but i'd love to see kremblas manage this team--though i know nothing about him other than his success with us in the minors.  and, i've wavered on gwynn, i'd rather see someone else out there in the OF, but i'm not sure who.
    "If there is a more reactionary blog with idiotic commentary out there I'd be surprised." -On Bleed Cubbie Blue

    by Michael M on Sep 24, 2007 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

    Moving on.
    I'd have to look for it, but I might have said something about Corey Hart being 20/20, or at least getting to that level pretty soon.

    I can't believe people still want Gwynn to start . . .

    That said, I don't think we can expect the same from Hardy next year, and I don't think we can expect the same from Hall -- there's probably a flip flop waiting to happen there, though I'd love to see 25+ HR from both of them.

    I'd love to see Estrada disappear.  The fact that the Braves announcers were saying it really hurt the Brewers chances if he was hurt shows how much he's overrated.  His defense is awful, baserunning worse, and his OBP is a joke.  I'm surprised he had as positive VORP at all (it was like 3.2).  

    I got no problem with Jenks moving on either.  When you go up there hacking every time, how can I take you seriously?

    I'd keep Hall in CF and let Gross take Jenkins' spot in the LF platoon.  

    You forgot to mention Rickie's monster August and September as a positive.  I'm more excited about him than anything.  He had a higher VORP than JJ, and sports the best plate discipline on the team.

    I wouldn't be opposed to kicking the tires on Andruw Jones, but I'd like them to do the same on Schilling.  He wants to sign a one year deal.  I think that would be great -- like 1 year, $14mil or something.  

    by baumann on Sep 24, 2007 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

    Right On
    With Rickie... But then again, his April - July could be listed as a dissapointment as well.
    Hey Ned! Ever heard of small ball? Or are your balls too small?

    by CATALYST on Sep 24, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Andrew Jones
    Isn't he becoming awfully Jinx-y?

    I like the Gross in the LF platoon idea; though he'd be a downgrade in the field and with the bat, he's cheaper and I think the team can deal with it. Or we could just go after free agent to be Brady Clark (how crazy is it he is beginning and ending the season in Miller Park without actually being on the roster?).

    If Yost is kept for next season, it'd be nice to sign Milton Bradley to spite/cold-cock him.

    Oh, and because I'm too lazy to make a whole new comment just for this: I really like the poem/dirge.

    Daily Ryan Braun leaderboard watch and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

    by TheJay on Sep 24, 2007 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Maybe it's just me
    But I'm tired of platoons.  I'd like to see a lineup full of everyday players.

    by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 24, 2007 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

    no andrew jones...
    the guys on tv the other day said that he looks like he has lost a full step in the outfield.  imagine him in 2-3 years... no.

    by Jamie in LA on Sep 24, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Gross
    I don't think Gross will be anything of a downgrade with the bat over 400-500 PAs compared to Jenkins.  His OBP will be a lot higher (probably in the .380 range), and I can definitely see him hitting 20-25 HRs in as the big end of the platoon.  

    Also, if folks want to give Gwynn a chance, why not cut Mench and have him Gwynn platoon with Gross?  I'm not sure if Gwynn has anything of a platoon split, though, while Gross and Mench clearly do.

    Love the Milton Bradley idea, btw, Jay.  Maybe we can trade for Sheff, too. ;-)

    Also, I'll concede on Andruw.  I think it would be a waste, really, especially since I expect LaPorta to have a Braun-like break-out in 2009.  I'm OK with Gross/Mench/Gwynn in the meantime.

    by baumann on Sep 24, 2007 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I will be rooting
    for the "Not Cubs" in the postseason.  That is all.
    "Shabbat shalom, motherfuckers" - Ryan Braun

    by The Prospector on Sep 24, 2007 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

    Actually that is not all
    Under disappointments you should have Matt Wise: see Koskie.
    "Shabbat shalom, motherfuckers" - Ryan Braun

    by The Prospector on Sep 24, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Doh.
    Good call... However, I've considered Wise a disapointment since he arrived. =/
    Hey Ned! Ever heard of small ball? Or are your balls too small?

    by CATALYST on Sep 24, 2007 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

    A scary thought
    If Yost is here next season, I think it will largely be due to a sense of loyalty than proven effective team management.  I wonder if Jinxie will be similarly "rewarded."  I wonder if we'll outbid any other takers for his services to ensure he plays his whole career here.

    That will be one grumbly day.

    "I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

    by roguejim on Sep 24, 2007 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

    i hope not.
    if he stays we should get the hometown discount of the century.

    by Jamie in LA on Sep 24, 2007 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Hall
    One of the posters over at Baseball Think Factory mentioned that Hall got benched because he questioned some of Ned's in-game management, and Ned's a petty little man who delights in lording over those in his charge.  Anyone ever see anything referring to that?  I normally would dismiss such a story, but the poster is fairly well respected over there, and I don't think he'd make it up.

    Anyway, I think Billy got screwed over this year, but since I'm a huge Billy fan, I won't bother to go into details.  It'll just sound like rationalization.

    I think Melvin needs to make some moves this offseason, and probably pursue some players aggressively, instead of waiting to see which players become available.  As good as our young players are, our old players are not worth much.

    Jenkins will either leave, or the Brewers will pass on his option and re-sign him for $3 or 4 million.  I like Geoff, but I think it's probably time for the Brewers to move on.  Zero interest in keeping Mench.

    Gross should be around next year, but I'm not ready to give him the job in left field.  It'd be nice if Melvin could find a decent power-hitting left fielder on the free agent market (not a giant-headed one :).  Outfield of New Guy, Bill Hall and Corey Hart.

    The infield is set.  No problem there.

    The rotation is going to need a little help.  Sheets, Suppan, Gallardo, Villanueva and Bush look like a nice rotation to start the year.  Definitely keep Parra in the mix, since we've seen that the Brewers can definitely use 6 or 7 starting pitchers throughout the year.

    I think Cordero is going to move on, because the money he can make is not money the Brewers should spend on a closer.  The rest of the bullpen needs to be re-worked, and I think that's where Melvin's biggest challenge resides.

    Anyway, it's all moot if they keep Yost.  He'll lobby for more gritty veterans and his personal favorites.  If Yost is gone, then younger players may get a shot, and lefty specialists can go back to being lefty specialists.

    by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 24, 2007 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

    I can only imagine the reaction
    if they fired Yost and hired Dusty Baker.

    by antbogey on Sep 24, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Ack!
    Have you no decency, man?!?  There are children reading this blog.  JT Snow will have to whisk them away before they see your comment.

    by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 24, 2007 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I (dis)agree.
    I'm with you on the bullpen, Marty.  It's a challenge, but one that Melvin has met before.  I wouldn't spend $10-12mil per year on a closer.  

    In terms of LF on the market: there are none.  The OF available are Hunter, Jones, and mush.  Under optimum conditions, I'd look at Adam Dunn -- like if we could get him for two years $25mil for some reason.  If not, I'd stay in house with Gross, because there's not much better out there.

    by baumann on Sep 24, 2007 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

    If there's nothing, then there's nothing
    I'd be interested in seeing what could be worked out via trade, not free agency.

    by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 24, 2007 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Oh well
    The season may be over but on the bright side, next year will be the first time in a long while that I've actually been genuinely excited about a Brewers  team before the season starts.  And even if the Cubs win the Central, they are going to get swept in the first series they play anyways.

    by stevie ray Braun on Sep 24, 2007 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

    Jeff.
    Thanks for the bump... My first main-page article.  Super-Sweet!
    Hey Ned! Ever heard of small ball? Or are your balls too small?

    by CATALYST on Sep 24, 2007 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

    Outfield Responses
    I really think Gywnn should be given a legitimate shot at playing CF or LF.  His numbers in the minors aren't bad. Sure he doesn't have the power, but I'd love to see him 1-2 with Rickie next year.

    Certainly I understand all of your thoughts on having someone with more power... But I'm speaking from the baseball I like... Small ball... In my opinion we have enough power with Price, Braun (and hopefully Hall again next year)... I want guys scampering around the bases.

    Hey Ned! Ever heard of small ball? Or are your balls too small?

    by CATALYST on Sep 24, 2007 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

    I agree about Gwynn
    Even thought I have converted to the Church Of Earl Weaver this season "Praise be to the Three Run Homer" I would not mind a guy like Gwynn getting on and turning singles into doubles with his legs give Braun and Fielder someone to drive in.

    Way to many or their home runs this year were solo shots

    Fire Ned, Hire Joe Girardi

    by WSB Chris on Sep 24, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Ok... I'm holding off Assessments until...
    we are either dead or in.

    Look, It ain't over until that board on MLB.com says E next to us.  We may be in a really deep hole, but frankly, we still got a shot.  It's the cubs remember.  They can still falter, we can still take it.  Granted we need to go 8-0 and they need to go 3-4 for a tie, but stranger things have happened.

    Notes for Ned:
    NEVER take Braun out.
    Never f*cking take Braun out.
    I'm sure there are more, but I'm just upset over that recurring incident.

    Ryan Braun is the Ed Hochuli of Third Basemen. Prince is now Chubber Lang

    by hyattff2003 on Sep 24, 2007 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

    Yes... WE NEED THE...

    I'm not giving up. I'm just facing reality.

    I'll be at home watching again tonight... Hoping we win all week this week. Don't think otherwise!

    Hey Ned! Ever heard of small ball? Or are your balls too small?

    by CATALYST on Sep 24, 2007 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

    I would just like to take this time
    to say that I fucking hate Chis Crapuano.  Yes, yes, Yost and jenkins & Wise & Estrada suck, but I blame Crappy for almost single handedly sinking the season.  

    Could you imagine where this team would be if our "'06 All-Star" had managed to go like 9-11 in his last 20 starts?  Is that really too much to ask?

    I don't care if he ever throws another useless pitch in a Brewers uniform.  Im so f'ing sick of fastball/changeup/0 velocity/Nibble guys like Crappy & Wise.  

    R.I.P-'07 Brewers (Born April 2nd-Died...Sometime in September) Survived by thousands of fans and members of this blog.  Services are held every day at your local tavern.  

    If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

    by Adam P on Sep 24, 2007 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

    disagree
    Cappy did what he does.

    projected fip: 4.25 - 4.52, actual fip: 4.46

    babip: .341

    he threw 220 innings in '05 and '06, so not surprisingly his walks are up. And what can you do with a .341 babip, just bad luck. His line drives are even done this year from his great '06. His OPS against was higher due to the extra walks but the slugging was probably better than expected given his babip.

    He had a decent season.

    If you're going to go and try to blame one player for a disappointing 162 game season... well... i guess i would suggest you don't.

    Personally, it's clear to me that the priorities are (#1) defense needs to get better, and (#2) we need one or two more reliable high leverage pitchers, and they need to be used properly.

    Bring Back The Old Logo!

    by jacob on Sep 24, 2007 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I'm OK w/ sticking up for him...
    but to say he had a decent season is lost on me.  I don't agree....I'm sure he will spend his offseason telling everyone that his babip is .341.  

    I know there's some luck and all that involved, but c'mon he has a little something to do with those numbers, doesn't he?  The walks alone were enough to anger me.....perhaps his pitches were just a bit more "hit-able".

    Of the 20 pitchers that show stats on the Brewers stat page, Crappy is currently in a tie for 15th place with a WHIP of 1.50.  He is tied w/ Ray King.  Vargas is the only starter with a worse WHIP, but in his defense he was much cheaper.  Also, the other guys below Chris are guys named Balfour, Aquino, & McClung.  That's not good company, and I would call that a good season.  Luck be damned.

    Again, don't mind me, I'm still working through some very profound Brewer frustration right now.:(

    If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

    by Adam P on Sep 24, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Correction:
    I would NOT call that a good season.  Sorry.
    If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

    by Adam P on Sep 24, 2007 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

    no worries
    personally, i don't use hits to judge a pitcher, certainly not seeing eye singles, or blind singles trickling through a sieve of a defense...

    I know there's some luck and all that involved, but c'mon he has a little something to do with those numbers, doesn't he?

    Depends on which numbers you are talking about. Hits? Not so much. Walks? Absolutely.

    Here's a good way to look at it. When the ball is put in play what happens to it depends on Luck, Pitching Skill, Defense, and Park Factors. And it works out to be close enough to be 40%/30%/20%/10% respectively.

    Here's the qualified NL leaders in FIP. Cappy had a decent season.

    Bring Back The Old Logo!

    by jacob on Sep 24, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

    can we start lobbying for Ted Simmons???
    surely we have some street cred as the biggest brewer fans in the universe...

    we should have made that life-sized sexy mark attanasio cutout...

    awesome job catalyst.  (we will have several months to discuss off-season moves. i dont have the energy right now...)

    by Jamie in LA on Sep 24, 2007 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

    Thanks
    And Ted Simmons would be one I'd like too... He's a "get-em on, get-em over, get-em in" type of guy... Which I love.

    And he wouldn't put up with Estrada... Getting rid of his lazy ass would be his 1st priority.

    Hey Ned! Ever heard of small ball? Or are your balls too small?

    by CATALYST on Sep 24, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Nothing against Ted
    I'm so tired of Brewers nostalgia that I hope they go outside the organization for the next manager.

    Assuming there is a next manager.

    by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 24, 2007 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Me too
    This season has left such a sour taste in my mouth, I'm glad, in a way, that it's almost over.  Enough with 1982, and everyone from that team...including the god-forsaken backup catcher.

    I think someone young, and from outside the organization, would be good.

    (Though I just can't give up the ball and glove logo.)

    "I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

    by roguejim on Sep 24, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

    hmmm this is where I came in here lol
    I seem to remember being roasted for saying I was sick to death of the worship of the 82 team at the beginning of the season lol

    No more Retro uniforms no more looking back.  as much as the way this season ended sucked.   this team still has a bright future IF Yost is removed and they can do something to fix the bullpen.

    Lets start looking towards the future in Milwaukee.

    Fire Ned, Hire Joe Girardi

    by WSB Chris on Sep 24, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Retro
    I was 5 during the 82 season, so I have no memories of that.  Heck, I wasn't even a baseball fan until about 5 years ago.  So the Brewers teams of yore have nothing to do with my thoughts that the Ball and Glove logo is awesome.  When they wear the retro unis I don't think of 82 or 87.  I think of that uniform as being THE best and classiest uniform in Brewers history.  It is unique, simple, and classic.  
    "The ship feels like it's sinking, but our guys are in the boat, pushing the water out." - Ned Yost, 8/28/2007

    by craigholl on Sep 24, 2007 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

    marty..
    gimme some credit.  im not suggesting YOUNT Or Molitor.  

    im not recommending ted solely cause he was a brewer.  he knows about baseball without having to read books on it in the offseason.  listening to him talk on the radio during one of the games this season got me interested in him.

    and he hates nascar.  i know this for a fact (not really).

    by Jamie in LA on Sep 24, 2007 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

    yeah, i know
    He'd probably be a good manager.  There are just too many people around Milwaukee that would latch onto the continuing cult of the 82 Brewers.

    Then again, all I know about his baseball philosophy comes from 10 minutes of interview with Bill Schroeder.

    by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 24, 2007 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

    This might sound sacrilegious (sp.)
    Although Yost's moves frustrate me to no end, it's the attitude he's taken over the last month that really bothers me.  As Ted Simmons said in his interview the night of the 25th anniversary, you should be able to have a reasonable answer to every decision you make.  With Yost recently, it's like he is unwilling to acknowledge that someone would question his decision-making.  A lot of the decisions come down to luck, but it should be easy enough to explain why you made a decision.  By not explaining them, it leads me to believe that he thinks his way is always right no matter the outcome.  If that is the case, he is unlikely to learn from his mistakes.  If he is willing to explain himself, I would be more inclined to believe he was willing to change his ways.

    by PDUBS1216 on Sep 24, 2007 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

    No, I felt that too
    All too often, the scenario played out this way:
    • Yost makes an odd decision
    • Said decision backfires
    • Yost is asked about it in the post-game
    • Yost says something along the lines of "I'm not going to play that game of being second-guessed," or "Baseball people knew what I was doing," or "Hey, let's put an ottoman in the dugout," or whatever.
    It's funny: I truly believe we have a playoff team right now.  If we had a manager who would make normal decisions (like not putting a LOOGY in more often against a righty than a lefty) and otherwise stays out of the way, I think we can win 90+ games.  Such a person would be an instant hero to Milwaukee.
    "I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

    by roguejim on Sep 24, 2007 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

    I"m confused
    OK it doesn't appear that there are free agents out there worth pursuing except Cordero. But I don't see where we need a power hitting outfielder. I think we live and die by the long ball now. I thought before he reupped with the Dbacks that eric Byrnes would be perfect in left field. plus he brings some speed. but to sign another long ball hitting outfielder, we already have enough power. Jenkins goes to seattle to play out with Sexson. I'm not in favor of Gabe Gross full time or the platoon with Mench. I do think we need either a great defensive catcher who can throw out a runner. I think this line up can cover a weak hitting defensive catcher ie. mike mathney. Obviously, we need pitchers who can throw strikes, and throw strikes. hopefully this will get some response being this far down. BUT, do you hold any of this collapse on Mike Maddux???? He seems to have dodged the bullet in the past, is there any of this to blame him with?
    Tim Bring back the chalet,frank charles at the wurlitzer organ, bob betts at the mic, and the barrell man logo!!!!

    by storminTAZZ on Sep 24, 2007 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

    Lessons from other teams
    I wish we would have drafted a Joba Chamberlein/Hutson Street type in the 2007 draft.  It would have been nice to have drafted Joba Chamberlein last year.  I think we will regret drafting LaPorta this year.  This team is teeming with offensive options.  What we need is a college closer that can help this team in a year or two.  We need a flame thrower like Carlos Marmol for the Cubs.  The one Cubs edge on us was their bullpen and mainly Marmol.  We didn't have a guy to come in the game with runners on and shut down the other team.  You think Marmol didn't save more than three games for the Cubs?  You think not having a guy like that didn't cost us three wins?  Look at how many games Joba Chamberlein has helped the Yankees win down the stretch and he's been there for less than two months.  

    The main thing to take from the Cubs though is plan on the 2008 roster not having Ben Sheets.  It sounds odd because he'll be on the team, but since his status has become as flaky as Prior/Wood, we have to plan on not having him.  Our 2008 rotation:

    1. Gallardo
    2. Suppan
    3. Villanueva
    4. Bush
    5. Capuano/Parra/Vargas
    If Sheets is healthy all year, we have a sweet rotation and a good bullpen.  If we don't have him, we are prepared.  

    Last, we should hire a defensive guru to work with our younger players.  Critical errors have led to critical losses.  We have a 3D puzzle of the Big Ben here while the Cubs are dealing with a 2D version.  We just need a few minor pieces to be added and a better person putting the puzzle together to dominate this division.  

    by MunichBrats on Sep 24, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

    Eh
    I'm sure in the offseason, there'll be plenty of threads to discuss what we need to contend next season.  I haven't yet given up on 2007, though.  If the Cubs split their final 6 road games, we still have a chance.

    One thing, though.  As bad as our pen had been this season, in recent years, it was the only good thing about our team, even only a few years ago.  We've made some pretty good strides since the days of Jerry Royster and Davey Lopes.

    "I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

    by roguejim on Sep 24, 2007 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

    Weigh-ins
    On Jenks: If we resigned him at the $7.2 mil we'd be required to pay him, it might be O.K., but anything more, let him go. Have Hall, Hart, and the hot hand of the tandem of Gwynn, Gross, Mench, & Dillon in the OF.
    On Cordero: I'd love to see him resigned, but at 10-12 mil per, it's not really financially feasible for them to do so.
    On Yost: Sure, he's made some moves that have left me scratching my head, but it's not him who's hanging a slider that costs them a win.
    On Cappy: He's this year's Turnblow.
    To srB: Lucky you. My brother and I are die-hards who, every year, would put our hopes in the ill-advised trades and free agent signings. For example, O.K., the Brewers signed Jeffrey Hammonds, and if so-and-so and so-and-so are able to build on last year's performance, we should at least compete. During those years, it'd look like they were "going through the motions" by the middle of May and have me only watching a few games the rest of the way. BTW, Bando & Taylor were morons.
    To Catalyst: I agree a little small ball wouldn't hurt. If that's the way shake out, with Gwynn getting most of the playing time in left or center, it would be nice to see a lineup shown below. BTW, don't forget abut Hart's power.
    Weeks 2B
    Gwynn LF/CF
    Braun 3B
    Fielder 1B
    Hart  RF
    Hall  CF/LF
    Rivera/Miller? C
    Hardy SS
    P

    Estrada should go, as should Mench & Jenkins ideally. I'd say either Cappy or Vargas will be gone, if not both. After all, ya have to open at least one spot for Gallardo/Villanueva/Parra, don't ya? Heck, I thought CV earned a rotation spot with his stint late last year, but what do I know?

    by kgaul on Sep 24, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

    Are we sure
    that Jinxie will cost $7.2 million?  I thought the 20% thing only applied for arbitration.
    "I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

    by roguejim on Sep 24, 2007 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Hmm.
    You may be right. I thought that was for free agents. I can't imagine someone offering a 20% pay cut to someone in arby, but then again, those woeful teams of the late 90s had a couple worthy, I'm sure.

    by kgaul on Sep 24, 2007 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

    Well...
    I drafted Hart in many of my fantasy leagues this season thinking he had a 20/20 upside, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

    Also - it's not funny to even joke about LaRussa being our manager. I'd rather lose with Yost.

    by Acheron on Sep 24, 2007 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

    Hart & LaRussa
    I picked him up late, but it wasn't enough to save me when Pujols & the rest of my fantasy team struggled to reach the Mendoza line. I agree with the TLR view. My opinion might be a little skewed, but if Yost is out, Girardi is the only real good option.

    by kgaul on Sep 24, 2007 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

    ive had hart for
    about half the year; he has been f-ing great.

    by Jamie in LA on Sep 25, 2007 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

    Notes
    I'll be rooting for the Indians (I saw a home game for them at Miller Park!) and of course whatever team the Cubs play in the first round.  No need to root for any other anti-Cub team, since the Cubs will be out right away.  

    (I must say that the only thing that is giving me hope right now for the rest of our season is that it is the Cubs we're talking about.  They are the masters of the collapse.  If any team can out-collapse the Brewers, it is the Cubs.  So maybe we still do have a shot at the playoffs.)  

    You list Koskie under disappointments.  I hope you don't mean disappointed in him.  After he didn't come back at all last year and wasn't even doing regular activities in September 2006, I was just hoping he'd be able to have a regular life with his family again, which hasn't happened as of yet.  Forget baseball, I just hope he's able to get a normal life back.  If anything I was disappointed in Mustache for appearing to rely on Koskie coming back.  But of course things did work out at 3B, with that Braun guy.  

    "The ship feels like it's sinking, but our guys are in the boat, pushing the water out." - Ned Yost, 8/28/2007

    by craigholl on Sep 24, 2007 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

    i tend to give moustache credit
    I think he may have pretended to count on Koskie (or let writers think that), so he could get away with going with stopgap options (Graff/Counsell) ...knowing that Braun would arrive no later than the ASB.

    After all, it would've looked pretty silly to sign a more expensive 3B by about July.

    (Then again, it looked pretty silly to let Graffy come back, but we've been over that a few times :).)

    Weird, but not weird.

    by Jeff Sackmann on Sep 24, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

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