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Goodbye Vargas

[editor's note, by KLSnow]I promoted this to the front page because it's both huge news and largely unexpected. KL

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/03/25/brewers-release-vargas.aspx

Surprising, but good news. I figured after Capuano's injury they'd be a little more gun shy about letting a starter go. Now Villanueva and Parra will both make the team and we'll be treated to fewer excruciating 3.5 hour games.

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Wow
I like it.  It wouldn't be fair to send Vargas down, and we now have our best options starting (I hope).  Soon, my fellow Brewer junkies, the season is soon!

by Braunstalker on Mar 25, 2008 2:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shocking!
I feel shocked!

I'm really surprised by this.  I guess I'd like to see how much of his salary they'd save --- if it's a substantial amount, then it's probably a good move.  Just the same, given his newfound commitment to conditioning and his very solid spring, I thought he was a pretty good gamble as an overachieving #5 starter.

I guess there's a small chance they'll regret letting him go, but if they save $3 million by doing so, it's worth it.  (Though I can't believe there isn't a medium AA prospect somewhere that we could have traded him for.)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like he cleared waivers...
and they were up on the deadline to dump him and save some cash.

I was a little concerned at first, but the more I think about it, I'm not. When Gallardo comes back, they've still got 6 starters for 5 spots, allowing them to watch Parra's innings and still put a pretty good rotation out there.

by KLSnow on Mar 25, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose that's true
Plus, this means Villanueva stays on the major league team, which I am totally in favor of.

Still...I don't like giving away young talent.  In the past, I've complained about this sort of thing, and it was much ado about nothing (see de la Rosa, Jose; Cruz, Nelson), but decisions like this always make me nervous. If her were having a worse spring, I'd be much more in favor.

He'll be worth a flyer for some team.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

apparently not
Doesn't sound like anyone was interested in him, and he already passed through waivers.  At a new, lower salary and nothing to trade for, another team will pick him up but apparently the Brewers had nothing to gain.

Also, apologies to Pete, but referring to Vargas as talent?  That's a paddlin'.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you calling Ned a liar?
You wouldn't do that, would you?
Yost said there was some slight interest in Vargas on the trade market but not enough to make a deal. When Vargas cleared waivers, the Brewers decided to release him.

Some slight interest --- even if it's signed Dale Earnhardt underoos --- is better than nothing, if only so we don't have to pay him $900,000.  (Though maybe I'm misunderstanding that part.)

As for young talent, well, I needed a noun to go with "young."  Besides, he has more talent than I do.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still recovering
To be honest, I'm still a little dazed by this one.
"In our evaluations, (Vargas) was the seventh guy on our staff," said Yost, also including Yovani Gallardo, who is expected to join the rotation in mid-April after recovering from knee surgery.

I have a little guideline I follow.  If I agree with Yost and Melvin in anything, I am required to re-evaluate my position, because that just doesn't happen.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

www.hireclaudiovargas.com
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll go ahead
And call Vargas talent as well. I think he was mis-cast as a starter: his slow pace and tendency to implode after 3-4 IP made it impossible for him to ever have prolonged success in that role.

But I still think he had good enough stuff to make it as a reliever...and if I were about 25 teams, that's the pitch I'd be making to his agent. If he refused to go to the pen, then I understand the release completely.

by KLSnow on Mar 25, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have to admit
Most of the animosity I feel toward Vargas is that there's no joy in watching a game he pitches.  It's just too long, and then working through weak cogs in the bullpen makes the whole game messy.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but the alternative
was Cappy getting sweaty and looking lost while he imploded, or Bush throwing an 82 mph ball he tries to twist and they hit it as if its on a tee.

Vargas came back and won and actually had the pitches to do it. Maybe its all for the best, but in my very minority opinion, he's better than Cappy or Bush. Bush probably has to go 2 and 12 before there is even pressure on him.

by ol Pete on Mar 25, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree entirely
And by the way, since when is de la Rosa's first name Jose? :)

by Jordan M on Mar 25, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

(ssssshhhh...)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
I have to say I'm surprised, too. I'm not particularly saddened that he was released, but he would've been nice depth. I wonder where he'll end up.
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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Incredible
I was positive that my next post at FNY was going to be about Villanueva being sent down.

I'd say Vargas catches on with the Nationals or the Cardinals.  Off the top of my head, I can't think of teams with worse pitching.  Maybe the pirates.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Termination Pay
Article IX of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement has this to say about termination pay:
B. Spring Training

A Player whose Contract is terminated by a Club under paragraph 7(b)(2) of the Uniform Player's Contract for failure to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability shall be entitled to receive termination pay from the Club in an amount equal to thirty (30) days' payment at the rate stipulated in paragraph 2 of his Contract, if the termination occurs during spring training but on or before the 16th day prior to the start of the championship season. If the termination occurs during spring training, but subsequent to the 16th day prior to the start of the championship season, the Player's termination pay shall be in an
amount equal to forty-five (45) days' payment at the rate stipulated in paragraph 2 of his Contract.

C. In-Season
A Player whose Contract is terminated by a Club during the championship season under paragraph 7(b)(2) of the Uniform Player's Contract for failure to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability shall be entitled to receive termination pay from the Club in an amount equal to the unpaid balance of the full salary stipulated in paragraph 2 of his Contract for that season.

I think the championship season is considered to start this Sunday, even though the Red Sox and A's have already played. Unless there's other weird rules, by releasing Vargas now, the team only has to pay him for 45 days, or about a quarter of his salary.

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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmpf.
But if they wanted, they could have taken the rest of the week and worked out a trade for the proverbial bag o' balls, right?

45 days is about a quarter of the season.  Vargas was expected to make $3.6 million this season, so by releasing him now, they're only paying him $900,000, I figure.

(Which is all the more reason to have traded him for said bag of balls.)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The more I think about it
The limited interest in Vargas is probably more due to the salary than the 5th starter talent.  Who's going to want to pay him $3.6 million?

Just the same, though, I'd rather trade him and $900,000 cash if we can get a low-level pitcher in return, than give him $900,000 just to go away.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.
But did the few clubs with some remote interest guess that he might be released allowing them to pursue him without having to give up a player?

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When could the Brewers resign him
If he isn't getting offers from other clubs, when could he be re-signed by the Brewers to provide depth at AAA?

by Joe on Mar 25, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think immediately
I could be wrong, but I was under impression a player that was released could be re-signed by his former club immediately. If the team doesn't tender a contract (maybe it's not offering arbitration, I forget which one but neither applies to Vargas' situation) during the off-season, they can't re-sign a player until May 1, I think.
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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you suppose that Capuano's salary/injury
played some part in the Crew pretty obviously "dumping" salary with Vargas.  The 3Mil they save this year is roughly equal to the figure they are going to eat for Cappy's salary this year right?  I'd say that Mark A. was pretty set on a total payroll figure that he liked, and this move just offsets Cappy and clears up the rotation situation at the same time.  

Either that, or the powers that be are really just "Ned-proofing" the entire 25 man roster so that there is only 1 obvious person for each position.  Either way, it's hard for me to get too angry about this, but it's just strange.  

If A-Rod hits A-Bombs, does Fielder hit F-Bombs? It's dumb I know....

by Adam P on Mar 25, 2008 3:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A guess
Cappy had Tommy John surgery before, right?  I don't know the rules for whom to carry insurance on (would any insurance company touch Ben Sheets?), but I'd think a guy who already went under the knife would be a good candidate for having insurance.  Maybe the Brewers have his salary covered.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If true, that's disappointing.
If they cut Vargas because they saw more value from another player, fine.  But if they cut him to save that 3 million, that's irritating.  The truth may be somewhere in between.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So who's the 7th guy now?
I like the fact that Vargas is out of the rotation and that Villy and Parra are in, but isn't Vargas a better option for long relief than McClung?  And if you end up needing your 7th best starter due to multiple injuries (and hopefully we won't), is Vargas better than the alternative now that Cappy is out for the year?  Who IS the 7th best starter for the Brewers now that Vargas is gone.

I know that Vargas and McClung were both out of options and that one of them might end up released if Parra or Villy didn't go down to AAA to start the year.  But this outright release surprises me a bit.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Stetter? Choate?
You can grab up replacement level guys to mop up for a lot less than Vargas was making, too.

Last year, it was Dessens to start the year, and so McClung actually looks pretty good in comparison.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem
Stetter or Choate can't start. Apparently, they're confident enough in Narveson and Jackson that they thought they could save a little cash.

by Jordan M on Mar 25, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
KLSnow picked up on that one, though.  Gallardo looks good for mid-April, so the Brewers have six solid starters, and a couple of marginal fill-ins with Jackson and Narveson.

That does put the pressure on Bush to perform, as much as Parra and Villanueva.  I notice Haudricourt saying it'll be Parra or Villy when Gallardo comes back, but the Brewers are showing some signs of playing the best guys, not just the veterans.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sending Bush to AAA
would make me worry about comets striking the planet. But then, based on the Brewers website, misc comments, the slotting and his performance, I would have actually put money on Vargas not getting released.

In the chat with Cliff the troll on WSSP, Melvin said that part of the problem with Vargas was that somebody would have to go down when Yo gets back and Vargas made it more complicated. That's a paraphrase and you know the way those guys answer - I can't be absolutely sure of my interpretation, but that's what i'm guessing.

by ol Pete on Mar 25, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

#7: Narveson?
Or Zach Jackson? I'm not thrilled with either, but in a pinch I'm fine with them.

by KLSnow on Mar 25, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thing is
How long will the pinch be?
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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair point on Dessens.
And the salary of a mop up guy you pick up who's talent level isn't likely to be much worse than Vargas.  Maybe it's just the fact that I wasn't expecting it that has me second guessing the move.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 3:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

To clear up the money issue
New blog entry

They can save $2.7 mil by releasing him.

by Jordan M on Mar 25, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to get all Scott Boras here
But I'd like to point out that Vargas made more in Spring Training than Fielder will make all year.

Baseball owners have a great racket.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 3:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I watched about 3 minutes of the Boston game
and there's Bud and his answer to everything is "we're making huge pots of money." I forgot the number, but he listed revenue in the billions.

Elsewhere, I heard it reported that all the internet access had netted 500 million.

Almost makes you sympathetic to Boras... almost

by ol Pete on Mar 25, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.
But that cuts both ways.  Vargas' salary was unreasonably propped up by the bulging salaries agents like Boras get for their prized pitching clients, not to mention arbitration, when the actual market value for him was much less.  (As demonstrated by the fact that no one took him on waivers for his current salary and the $20,000 fee).

That said, if they turned around and gave the money they're saving on Vargas to Prince, he'd certainly deserve every penny and more, as his market value would still be 7-8 times or so what his salary would be under those circumstances.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I shed a tear...
... and then my tears gave up five runs without retiring a batter in the 6th.

I like the move, it's bold, it's beautiful, and I hope no one gets injured to expose the weakness of this move.

My non-embarrassing thoughts on the Brewers:
Two Fisted Slopper

by nmc on Mar 25, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I get the feeling
Any trade interest they felt in Vargas required the Brewers to cover some of his salary, that is possible in MLB right? With the choice of paying a chunk of his $3.6 million (probably more than $900,000) plus whatever the salary of the guy they got in return (whatever the average AA or whatever guy makes now-a-days), I think I would rather pay $900,000. That would leave an extra $2.7 million to put into the signing bonus or first year of a long-term deal for whichever young guy we try to lock up. Was this Vargas's last year under contract or will it save us some $ in the future as well?
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Mar 25, 2008 4:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Last year
He would have been a free agent following the season.
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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Villy has an RBI single today.
He must be pumped about this opportunity.
Ichiro, on facing Daisuke Matsuzaka for the first time: "I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul."

by DaleCoop14 on Mar 25, 2008 4:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shocked... but not really
I was shocked to find out he was just let go, but it's not the least bit upsetting. If he did develop and extra pitch and has actually improved, I just hope he lands somewhere outside of the NL Central.

by drezdn on Mar 25, 2008 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good move
-there's no value in spending $3.6 million on a long relief guy.
-he had no trade takers otherwise they would have done it.
-i love villaneuva in the rotation and would have blasted management if they would have started him in triple A (which is probably coming after gallardo comes back, but still).
YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Mar 25, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As I see it...
... they are more likely to demote Parra to lessen his workload.  Villy pitched 180 innings in 2006 and should be able to handle a full year of starts, as long as he is not getting shelled.

As we've talked about before, Parra's innings are a concern, so he would be the more natural candidate to take a breather in AAA for awhile.

Ichiro, on facing Daisuke Matsuzaka for the first time: "I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul."

by DaleCoop14 on Mar 25, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

parra v. villy
The only thing about that is Ned seems pretty hellbent about having a lefty in the rotation, thus I belive Villy is more likely to get sent down when Yo comes back.
YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Mar 25, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does sending him down cut his innings?
They'd still have him start games, and even if they limit him to 5 innings an outing he'll still far exceed his 133 innings last year.  Seems to me that keeping him up in the 5th spot in the rotation (which is skipped a lot early on) is more likely to keep his innings within 25 or so of last year.  

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think
you can have him skip a start when necessary without taxing the major league club's bullpen.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh and one more thing
there's about 100 claudio vargeses out there that we can always pick up if we have to. hell, we probably have 3 pitchers in triple A that can give up 4 runs in 5 innings.
YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Mar 25, 2008 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the legend grows
why stop there. Let's call him Cupachabra Vargas.

by ol Pete on Mar 26, 2008 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Claudio updates
I look forward to the Claudio updates this year, wherever he catches on.

by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 26, 2008 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...
This makes the Doug Davis trade look pretty mediocre in hindsight, doesn't it?

by Acheron on Mar 25, 2008 4:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Depends
Would having Doug Davis and Damian Miller as a starting catcher last season have won the division? I'm not so sure that's the case--Davis might well have performed the same as Vargas last season.
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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh
you also have to factor in that DD wanted, and got from the D-Backs, a 3 year contract. 22 mil over three years is a lot of cash for a 5 or 6 inning guy who, as he got older, seemed to be doing an Al Leiter- walking every decent player he faced and gambling that he could get the weaker hitters out.

by sheeter on Mar 25, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
But still, right now it winds up being Davis, Krynzel, and Eveland for Guillermo Mota. Trading Davis and those two was the right move, but they could have done better.

by Jordan M on Mar 25, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, in hindsight
It's very possible that was the best trade option at the time. After all, Estrada arrived being hailed as a good-hitting catcher and Vargas was welcome depth after the 2006 starting staff injuryfest.
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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus
Aquino was looked at as a somewhat promising bullpen arm

by sheeter on Mar 25, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder
Was Vargas really just auditioning for a trade for the entire spring training, without knowing it?  

He had one of the better springs on the staff. (I'm curious --- anyone know where spring training stats can be found?)  What else did he need to do?

I wonder if the plan --- assuming there was one --- was to keep him until the end of spring, in case we had several Cappy-like injuries and needed him, or in case our youngsters pitched horribly.  If he does well, then we trade him, if not we release him.

I can see why he'd be pissed.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 5:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Spring stats
You can get them at mlb.com -- here are the Brewers pitchers (options for hitting stats and other teams and the like are on the left).
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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!
You probably already know this, but of the pitchers with a legitimate shot at claiming a starting spot, only Villanueva had a better ERA (and he's the most likely one to be sent down when YoGa comes back).
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say he's most likely...
A lot can happen to everything but Ben Sheets' arm in a month...
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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just know where to find the stats
I haven't actually really looked at them. Did you know that Guillermo Mota has eleven strikeouts in 10.1 innings? He's allowed six hits and one walk in that timespan (0.68 WHIP) -- too bad he can't face minor leaguers all season.
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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our coaches are better than your coaches
I should be interesting to see how Mota and Kendall do throughout the year. Both guys came in under much scrutiny from the national media after falling off last year and apparently our coaches found mechanical flaws in both players that could be altered to help fix those fall offs. That raises the question, is our coaching staff, etc. that much better at watching and analyzing players than the Mets/Cubs/athletics or are they blowing a little smoke up the media's arses to help justify questionable moves?
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Mar 25, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Coaches
I wonder if a team ever brings in a player off a down year and says they haven't found something to fix.
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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Mets
in regard to Estrada probably.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Mar 25, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
But you could attribute his down year to needing surgery. I was thinking more of the Geoff Jenkins "I need to fix my leg lift" variety recurring thing to fix.

I don't know, my opinion of coaches has been colored by reading writings of mavericks like Curt Flood. :)

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by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting
I suppose $2.7 million is a fair amount for someone like Vargas, this move seems a little unnecessary though.  Granted Vargas was seventh in line for starters, but still, we all know that Yost likes the bullpen-by-small-army strategy and wouldn't mind keeping him around.

Is the budget tight enough that we couldn't shell out $2.7 million for solid #4 starter/reliable middle reliever depth, or is the money being cleared up in anticipation of something else?

Braun Over Brains

by stevie ray Braun on Mar 26, 2008 3:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Theory
Doug and Ned, to their credit, realized that he shouldn't start the season in the rotation. That leaves two spots for him: AAA or the pen. He didn't have an option, so the pen was the only place. Then, he either refused to go to the pen or they figured that McClung could pitch just as well as Vargas as the "GRAM" for less money. They also are pretty confident in Narveson as a fill-in.

I think if Vargas was on the team, he would be starting. That's why they released him.

by Jordan M on Mar 26, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Narveson
I wonder if the release of Vargas is really just a sign of how strongly the Brewers feel about Narveson?

by drezdn on Mar 26, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing
we've heard non-stop preaching from the brain trust about the importance of the depth.  And they're right -- a good team should be 7 or 8 deep in the rotation.  Right now Narveson is #7, so given Ned's earlier comments, you have to think that the team likes Narveson better than Vargas, or is very close to it.
Weird, but not weird.

by Jeff Sackmann on Mar 26, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or, at the very least...
They like Narveson + $3 million better than Vargas. I feel like that extra $3 million available will be part of the conversation when they open contract negotiations with Braun and Fielder.

by KLSnow on Mar 26, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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St. Louis 91 71 .561 0 Lost 6
Chicago 83 78 .515 7.5 Lost 1
Milwaukee 80 82 .493 11 Won 3
Cincinnati 78 84 .481 13 Won 2
Houston 74 88 .456 17 Lost 3
Pittsburgh 62 99 .385 28.5 Lost 2

(updated 2.10.2010 at 4:46 AM CST)

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