Goodbye Vargas
[editor's note, by KLSnow]I promoted this to the front page because it's both huge news and largely unexpected. KL
http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/archive/2008/03/25/brewers-release-vargas.aspx
Surprising, but good news. I figured after Capuano's injury they'd be a little more gun shy about letting a starter go. Now Villanueva and Parra will both make the team and we'll be treated to fewer excruciating 3.5 hour games.
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Wow
by Braunstalker on Mar 25, 2008 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shocking!
I'm really surprised by this. I guess I'd like to see how much of his salary they'd save --- if it's a substantial amount, then it's probably a good move. Just the same, given his newfound commitment to conditioning and his very solid spring, I thought he was a pretty good gamble as an overachieving #5 starter.
I guess there's a small chance they'll regret letting him go, but if they save $3 million by doing so, it's worth it. (Though I can't believe there isn't a medium AA prospect somewhere that we could have traded him for.)
by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like he cleared waivers...
I was a little concerned at first, but the more I think about it, I'm not. When Gallardo comes back, they've still got 6 starters for 5 spots, allowing them to watch Parra's innings and still put a pretty good rotation out there.
by KLSnow on Mar 25, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose that's true
Still...I don't like giving away young talent. In the past, I've complained about this sort of thing, and it was much ado about nothing (see de la Rosa, Jose; Cruz, Nelson), but decisions like this always make me nervous. If her were having a worse spring, I'd be much more in favor.
He'll be worth a flyer for some team.
by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently not
Also, apologies to Pete, but referring to Vargas as talent? That's a paddlin'.
by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you calling Ned a liar?
Some slight interest --- even if it's signed Dale Earnhardt underoos --- is better than nothing, if only so we don't have to pay him $900,000. (Though maybe I'm misunderstanding that part.)
As for young talent, well, I needed a noun to go with "young." Besides, he has more talent than I do.
by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still recovering
I have a little guideline I follow. If I agree with Yost and Melvin in anything, I am required to re-evaluate my position, because that just doesn't happen.
by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
www.hireclaudiovargas.com
by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go ahead
But I still think he had good enough stuff to make it as a reliever...and if I were about 25 teams, that's the pitch I'd be making to his agent. If he refused to go to the pen, then I understand the release completely.
by KLSnow on Mar 25, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to admit
by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but the alternative
Vargas came back and won and actually had the pitches to do it. Maybe its all for the best, but in my very minority opinion, he's better than Cappy or Bush. Bush probably has to go 2 and 12 before there is even pressure on him.
by ol Pete on Mar 25, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree entirely
by Jordan M on Mar 25, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(ssssshhhh...)
by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Incredible
I'd say Vargas catches on with the Nationals or the Cardinals. Off the top of my head, I can't think of teams with worse pitching. Maybe the pirates.
by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Termination Pay
A Player whose Contract is terminated by a Club under paragraph 7(b)(2) of the Uniform Player's Contract for failure to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability shall be entitled to receive termination pay from the Club in an amount equal to thirty (30) days' payment at the rate stipulated in paragraph 2 of his Contract, if the termination occurs during spring training but on or before the 16th day prior to the start of the championship season. If the termination occurs during spring training, but subsequent to the 16th day prior to the start of the championship season, the Player's termination pay shall be in an
amount equal to forty-five (45) days' payment at the rate stipulated in paragraph 2 of his Contract.
C. In-Season
A Player whose Contract is terminated by a Club during the championship season under paragraph 7(b)(2) of the Uniform Player's Contract for failure to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability shall be entitled to receive termination pay from the Club in an amount equal to the unpaid balance of the full salary stipulated in paragraph 2 of his Contract for that season.
I think the championship season is considered to start this Sunday, even though the Red Sox and A's have already played. Unless there's other weird rules, by releasing Vargas now, the team only has to pay him for 45 days, or about a quarter of his salary.
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmpf.
45 days is about a quarter of the season. Vargas was expected to make $3.6 million this season, so by releasing him now, they're only paying him $900,000, I figure.
(Which is all the more reason to have traded him for said bag of balls.)
by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it
Just the same, though, I'd rather trade him and $900,000 cash if we can get a low-level pitcher in return, than give him $900,000 just to go away.
by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When could the Brewers resign him
by Joe on Mar 25, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think immediately
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you suppose that Capuano's salary/injury
Either that, or the powers that be are really just "Ned-proofing" the entire 25 man roster so that there is only 1 obvious person for each position. Either way, it's hard for me to get too angry about this, but it's just strange.
by Adam P on Mar 25, 2008 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A guess
by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If true, that's disappointing.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who's the 7th guy now?
I know that Vargas and McClung were both out of options and that one of them might end up released if Parra or Villy didn't go down to AAA to start the year. But this outright release surprises me a bit.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stetter? Choate?
Last year, it was Dessens to start the year, and so McClung actually looks pretty good in comparison.
by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem
by Jordan M on Mar 25, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That does put the pressure on Bush to perform, as much as Parra and Villanueva. I notice Haudricourt saying it'll be Parra or Villy when Gallardo comes back, but the Brewers are showing some signs of playing the best guys, not just the veterans.
by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sending Bush to AAA
In the chat with Cliff the troll on WSSP, Melvin said that part of the problem with Vargas was that somebody would have to go down when Yo gets back and Vargas made it more complicated. That's a paraphrase and you know the way those guys answer - I can't be absolutely sure of my interpretation, but that's what i'm guessing.
by ol Pete on Mar 25, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#7: Narveson?
by KLSnow on Mar 25, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point on Dessens.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To clear up the money issue
They can save $2.7 mil by releasing him.
by Jordan M on Mar 25, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to get all Scott Boras here
Baseball owners have a great racket.
by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 25, 2008 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I watched about 3 minutes of the Boston game
Elsewhere, I heard it reported that all the internet access had netted 500 million.
Almost makes you sympathetic to Boras... almost
by ol Pete on Mar 25, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
That said, if they turned around and gave the money they're saving on Vargas to Prince, he'd certainly deserve every penny and more, as his market value would still be 7-8 times or so what his salary would be under those circumstances.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I shed a tear...
I like the move, it's bold, it's beautiful, and I hope no one gets injured to expose the weakness of this move.
Two Fisted Slopper
by nmc on Mar 25, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling
by MadJimiBrewha on Mar 25, 2008 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Last year
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Villy has an RBI single today.
by DaleCoop14 on Mar 25, 2008 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shocked... but not really
by drezdn on Mar 25, 2008 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good move
-he had no trade takers otherwise they would have done it.
-i love villaneuva in the rotation and would have blasted management if they would have started him in triple A (which is probably coming after gallardo comes back, but still).
by Griswald on Mar 25, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As I see it...
As we've talked about before, Parra's innings are a concern, so he would be the more natural candidate to take a breather in AAA for awhile.
by DaleCoop14 on Mar 25, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
parra v. villy
by Griswald on Mar 25, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does sending him down cut his innings?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Mar 25, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and one more thing
by Griswald on Mar 25, 2008 4:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the legend grows
by ol Pete on Mar 26, 2008 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Claudio updates
by Marty McSuperFly on Mar 26, 2008 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
by Acheron on Mar 25, 2008 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
by sheeter on Mar 25, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by Jordan M on Mar 25, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, in hindsight
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
He had one of the better springs on the staff. (I'm curious --- anyone know where spring training stats can be found?) What else did he need to do?
I wonder if the plan --- assuming there was one --- was to keep him until the end of spring, in case we had several Cappy-like injuries and needed him, or in case our youngsters pitched horribly. If he does well, then we trade him, if not we release him.
I can see why he'd be pissed.
by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Spring stats
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
by roguejim on Mar 25, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say he's most likely...
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just know where to find the stats
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our coaches are better than your coaches
by MadJimiBrewha on Mar 25, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Coaches
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets
by MadJimiBrewha on Mar 25, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I don't know, my opinion of coaches has been colored by reading writings of mavericks like Curt Flood. :)
by TheJay on Mar 25, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Is the budget tight enough that we couldn't shell out $2.7 million for solid #4 starter/reliable middle reliever depth, or is the money being cleared up in anticipation of something else?
by stevie ray Braun on Mar 26, 2008 3:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Theory
I think if Vargas was on the team, he would be starting. That's why they released him.
by Jordan M on Mar 26, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Narveson
by drezdn on Mar 26, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
by Jeff Sackmann on Mar 26, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, at the very least...
by KLSnow on Mar 26, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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